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Thread: An Entertainers Ramblings...

DarkY0da
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:30 pm
#1


So I’ve been waiting to hear more info about the macro change which would be a good start for Entertainers (as well as any PC affected by lag, AFK looting and other such things). Good start I say because I think of it a bit like pulling weeds out of a garden.Because no matter how much water and fertilizer you give plants with the weeds there the weeds will still kill of the plants. You MUST pull the weeds before the garden can grow and thrive.


So let me just think for a moment...


Ahh yes we all know/believe AFK and bots to be a symptom of a problem. There are a lot of good suggestions about what the problem really is and how to deal with it or fix it.


I tend to think of it a little like this....


You get a small cut on your foot. Nothing much it doesn’t really bother you at first. After a week you’re limping a little bit and it hurts a bit more. Still not affecting your ability to run and play and work or do anything just uncomfortable.


A week later it hurts and you’re limping more but you can ignore it and you keep going.


Week after you have to take aspirin to ignore it. It gets to the point where can barely walk on it and it’s affecting everything you do. So you decide to take a look at it.


You have Gangrene and it’s spreading up your leg.


At this point is buying new sandals paint your toenails a new great color and slapping a cute little band aid on going to do anything at all to really help ? No. Right now we either need to cut it off so we can live or we need massive amounts of Anti-biotic and some doctor intensive care in a hospital.


Once we get that problem cured. Then we can look at doing Physical Therapy to get the leg back up to where it once was. And hopefully along the way we can get some new shoes. And some anklet bracelets and pretty polish.


What sort of whacked out meds am I on now you might ask? and you would be right to ask that as I’m not really sure.


BUT my thought is this we started out in these Profs with a problem. It wasn’t that noticeable at first. But you started seeing symptoms pretty quickly. It was ignored.


We all start trying to get someone to notice and n1p the symptoms in the bud and then to do something to fix the problem. It was ignored.


Which brings us to where we are now...


We get ignored or forgotten in the new Jedi Quests. (Until we manage to get Wound healing) our xp can be used for Jedi but we can’t even work our way through any of the quests with out picking up another class.


Our new content for 15 months of playing. A quest with random rolls that screw some people into waiting 24 hours only to get screwed again. 400k xp cost that most of us didn’t want or thought was too high. Our concerns are ignored.


Our only word on why the dances look funny is from one of our Corrs.. A paying player.


JtL... Lets us do combat with out spending SP... they “fix” some flourishes in our dances.


CU announced... and we get word on the macro changes it will be at least 6 months. We will also be ignored or forgotten during the CU. We will get a Revamp.. during the 2nd or 3rd group of profs that get revamps. After the CU is done. And maybe after the GCW is worked on as well.


And through it all our Corrs and us get ignored. They get told some things they can't tell us. Some (Panthu) get silenced by the Devs..




Oh-Orb Rizo Twi'lek
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DarkY0da
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:43 pm
#2

My point ??


Something is very very very very wrong here. And honestly... I don't know if anything will be done to fix it. So I'm going to finish up getting our broken dance and the new song then I'm going to start dropping Musician and Dancer skills to pick up something that has been getting content over time. Something that is getting Dev time. If I manage to get into the sandbox I will kick and scream all I can about Entertainer issues but... I believe the R.M.S. Titanic has sailed and we are all on it.



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DarkY0da
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:46 pm
#3




Oh-Orb Rizo Twi'lek
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Landlubber
Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:24 pm
#4

I have a bad feeling about this too...


I mean, the CU (Combat Update?? What's with that?? It used to be called Combat Balance once upon a time long ago, then it was Combat Revamp, now they gave it yet another name? Don't they have anything better to do with their time?) is all good and well, but knowing SOE's rather spotty history of broken promises and incorrect announcements, I'm not holding my breath here.

And also, the fact that a Profession Correspondent is not allowed to address the communities concerns freely doesn't exactly fill me with confidence either. I can understand NDA's up to a point, but this police state mentality of SOE is ridiculous. Looks like they want to keep us paying subscription for as long as possible even while already knowing they'll take a dump on us in the long run.


Now I'm not saying that this is necessarily true, but it's the impression I get from all this. And when it comes to customer relations, the customer's impressions might as well be the real thing, because that's what people base their opinions on if they don't get any hard facts instead.


Well, we'll see how it turns out I guess.


By the way, where can all the publicly available information about the CU be found? Where did you get the quotes by TH etc from?




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DarkY0da
Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:26 pm
#5

I pulled most of that from the Combat thread over in the "In Development" forum.



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Landlubber
Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:26 pm
#6

Interesting. I replied to the original thread. Thanks for posting this here as well (I should take a look into the Dancer's forum more often )





______________________________________________________
The Ti'lya Brothers: Ailar (Entertainer/Chimaera, DG Trader/Bria),
Klofi (Smuggler/Chimaera) -- Cancelled,
"You have a right to be upset. Anyone who is attached to any profession that doesn't get a lot of new content has a right to be upset." -- HanseSOE
______________________________________________________
Raph Koster on: "SWG: What went wrong?"


Landlubber
Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:37 pm
#7

Heh, found it by now. Next time I better open my eyes before asking needlessly


Thanks anyway




______________________________________________________
The Ti'lya Brothers: Ailar (Entertainer/Chimaera, DG Trader/Bria),
Klofi (Smuggler/Chimaera) -- Cancelled,
"You have a right to be upset. Anyone who is attached to any profession that doesn't get a lot of new content has a right to be upset." -- HanseSOE
______________________________________________________
Raph Koster on: "SWG: What went wrong?"


MusicalDina
Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:33 am
#8

All i can say is SOE is blind. They have been turning this game into a single player game, that others can see you play. This is the wrong way to go. MMORPGs are always the funnest when played with others. Entertainers are at the very heart of the socializing aspect.

Getting rid of those, whether on purpose or not, will ruin any fun this game could be for any players who dont already have friends playing. How many people did you meet and end up becoming friends with before the hologrind? How many after? You dont gain friendships/aquaintances from solo groups on dathomir, or by grinding jedi solo in some far off place. You dont gain aquaintances by running to the afk buffbot everytime.


WITHOUT SOCIAL ASPECTS TO THIS GAME PLEASE REMOVE THE MM FROM THE TYPE OF GAME. heck might as well remove the RP as well. SWG the Online Game.


As for the looping macro. Simply ridiculous they are waiting. They have put our needs on hold simply because people were whining that they might have to push a button every couple minutes? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?


but i digress, we arent important to soe, and only when they have completely ran us out of the game will they realize we were a large part of what made this game fun in the beginning, and we will be missed.



To all the combat types out there i will ask you some questions, that i hope you answer before replying negatively to my/darkyoda's post.


1. When was the last time you hunted with a group outside of your guild (solo groups do not count)?

2. When was the last time you hung out with people and did nothing but hung out?

3. Arent the above two more fun than just going out and 'grinding'? if not, why not?

4. When using a macro to use a skill such as CoB, would it be such a bother to repress the button every 5 minutes?

5. The CU is obviously a great deal of importance to a lot of players. However, when some things have been adjusted more than several times, do you think they wont need a couple patches after the CU to readjust?

6. If yes, then when should issues that have been around since BETA going to be addressed for entertainers?



What I am trying to point out is several things. Going out and grinding may be more beneficial than hanging out, but doing stuff with friends, or complete strangers can be a ton more fun. People seem to have lost that and have almost completely gone to the grind grind grind mentality.

Also, entertainers have been trying very hard to get issues fixed that have been broken since BETA, and a lot from just after release. If we keep pushing entertainer's fixes back because something is more important when are they going to get fixed? There will always be something more important to YOU if you arent an entertainer. That doesnt make it any less important to fix.

I also equate people's laziness to part of the state of this game. People have become much too lazy. How many beggars have you seen? How many people go run right to the buffbot instead of searching for a live entertainer? How many people would rather keep a profession down than have to push a button every 5 or so minutes?

It is sad really when i think back to how this game was in the beginning that even with less content, more bugs, it was more fun. I can think of days i spent 16+ hours ingame, and never realized it. I can think of days now that i can spend 15 minutes ingame and think it has been 5 hours.


I simply cannot understand how SOE cannot see what they have done, and not dislike it.



DinaJa Erso
Master Doctor
Master Musician
Dreamland
Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:32 am
#9




I would like to comment on this Panthu quote..







Start of Panthu tidbits...
I was told not to “create” a PR incident. All of my posts on the quest and our Dance reward have to be approved before I post them publicly. I was told this weeks ago. My own threads on the subject were locked or deleted both in here and in the Corr forum on this and two other issues: harassment and the Mind Buff Crystal given in the FS Village quests.

I have chosen to be quiet out here and let you guys handle this however you are going to with out a corr rather than have my own opinions doctored in an effort to make you more ok with this. *shrug*

I can’t say anything more than that, or I’ll most likely lose my position. Then I won’t be much help to anyone. You can probably guess how I feel about this, but I can only advise that you all continue to make your concerns known in an orderly fashion. Use the other channels available to you. I’m sorry that I can’t be more help, but this seems to be one of the weak spots in having a player representative that is company controlled and monitored. Usually I think the corr program is helpful, but this has just been a very frustrating case where it wasn’t allowed to be.






NowI know everyone loves panthu and apreciates the time she has put in for everyone as a corospondant. But i have to ask what is the point in the corespondant program? Can you not see by these very words panthu that you have been made into little more than an overworked and unpayed slave who's only purpose is crowd control??


This proves to me the belief thatI have held for some time now that the corespondant program is nothing more than free crowd control for SOE. They are NOT interested in hearing what you have to say because you have been saying it and having it ignored to the point that you are bordering on losing the positon for even saying it. You and all the other corespondants are nothing more than a PR TOOL for SOE, They have lied to you and made you think you can make a difference but to me all the evidence is in. Did they implement any of the image designers input in the ID revamp?? no. Have they done one single thing that you have submitted to them time and time again?? no.


Why do you do it? I believe you when you say that you realy want to make things better for dancers. I don't doubt that at all. ButI honestly believe they have tricked you into believing that is what you are there for, they bring you to summits in an attempt to cater to your egos and make you feel as if you are a part of things while ignoring everything you say. The corespondant is there to keep the populace from revolting that is all.


Recently you have been asking us to get our visibilty up for the CU by making other professions see that we are healers and need to be adressed. What is the point? EVERY time we post anything in a forum otherthan ours it is ignored or flamed to the point of deletion. The combat public has made it clear that they are perfectly happy with rampant unatended play being a solution for our healing problems as you call them. Furthermore the absolute HATERED of us as a part of the playebase ensures that noone is going to get to hear our side anyway. There was a time WE COULDNT EVEN POST HERE IN THE DANCER FORUM, without having our threads flamed locked and deleted. Noone is listening among the playerbase, and they will NEVER suport us.






Message Edited by Dreamland on 11-02-2004 08:51 AM

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