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Thread: Another post on tempest this time about how to grind out dancer and musician.

doltec
Mon May 03, 2004 7:45 am
#1

I have always beena supporter of the arts. And have listened and sympathized with the entertainer professions for some time in this game. I myself have tried my hand at dancing sporadically on different servers. Well i finally settled down on tempest and took a little over two months of ATK play to master dancer. I have been frustrated and angry about AFK Buff Bots. This post this morning just struck me as another jack booted kick to the stomach from people that despise our profession. I love dancing, I love healing people, and i like earning money from the occasional mind buff. But most of all i want a place that i can call my own that isn't taken over and run by Buff Bots and people that ground out musician or dancer ina weekend AFKing on a seperate computer while they run around hunting and PvPing on a seperate account.


It used to be that i thought sure people want to watch an ATK entertainer because it is more entertaining. But now i see myself competing against a free service that is being provided by people that do not care. It's just infuriating. And when i listen to guildmates complain about how they hate entertaining professions, and how they did it in X number of daysI just get more depressed about the situation we have been put in by SOE's idiotic idea that the best qualifications for a jedi was a person that can specialize at not actually playing the game but macroing the game as they did other things.


/sigh;/deepbreath;/mantra


When is the Profession Grinding going to end again?




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Vermicious_Knid
Mon May 03, 2004 8:54 am
#2

Hologrinding will end very soon.



Profession grinding will never end, barring a change in game mechanics.



I am not doing holocrons, but I am grinding my alt as a dancer/musician for my guild (and it's TAKING FOREVER)


My primary char is grinding up to master doctor as we speak to go with Rifleman. He's been a doc before, and my alt was a doc until recently. I don't need the experience of being a medic again, I need a master doc so I can buff myself and cure states, poison, and disease while I fight.


Lots of crafters grind. There's nothing to sell below master.


Support professions like doc/combat medic, dancer, musician are much more useful at master level. Lots of people want the "useful" but spend their gaming time playing something else.


I never grind my combat classes, since that's what I enjoy playing. Your mileage may vary.





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Every time I log in I'm terrified they changed the game to Dance Dance Revolution without telling anyone after holding a "focus group"

Nhari
Mon May 03, 2004 11:43 am
#3


I'm not sure why Vermicious_Knid was one-starred, but I'm not entirely sure it was deserved. I am as whole-heartedly against afking as anyone in this entire game (and I've never been one to hide it), but he's absolutely right when he says the end of hologrindingwill not be theend of afking. It won't. Afking will continue until the sun burns out, the servers come down, or the code is changed. Some people simply can't resist the lure of free experience. The fact that dancing at master is no different than dancing at novice isn't the point for many people. Thereis a significant portion of players whoare only interested in:



A) That neat master flag floating over their head


B) The ability to buff at the optimum level(whether for money or for PA members)


C) The ability to place a cantina/theater


None of those desires isgoing to besated by anything other than achieving master status, and as long as they can gain experience while at work and asleep, that's exactly what they'll do. I suspect if they could get a computer to do their job at work, they'd do that as well. Work ethics are optional in life; not everyone has them. You either believe that work is what grants value to the product of that labor or you don't. If you don't, then there's no reason to work for anything at all. There just isn't.


In any case, as far as SOE and SWG go, it was intended. For all that we rattle our sabers and pound our drums against the irony of the antisocial afking behavior in professions designed and marketed to social players, the system is working as intended. The ability to loop macros was put in intentionally, and was explained by thedevelopersto be an "equalizing tool." The wisdom of this code could be debated until the end of time, along with abortion and the existence of God. You're either on one side or the other, and you feel passionately about it. If we're on the side that opposes afking, however, the developers are on the opposite end of the field. That's why we're at this point in the game.


SOE isn't forcing us to like the system that's in place. In fact, they're not even completely asking us to accept it; they do give us this forum to shout on, after all. They do expect us to find some way to deal with it in-game, however. Many couldn't, and left or retired. The rest of us found our own methods to cope. If you are an afker, then none of this discussion really matters to you because SOE is on your side and you can't hear the complaints in-game anyway. If you aren't an afker, you'll either find your own method of hanging on or you won't. I hope you do, though- we're dropping like flies these days.


Message Edited by Nhari on 05-03-2004 11:52 AM



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Vermicious_Knid
Tue May 04, 2004 12:00 am
#4

That was a very well-stated and intelligent post, Nhari.


You are obviously an entertainer with class, poise, and character.






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Every time I log in I'm terrified they changed the game to Dance Dance Revolution without telling anyone after holding a "focus group"

Blackmenis
Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:31 pm
#5


I by far agree with you, the point of the skill is to like it, have fun getting leveled, and have even more fun as a master for the skill. I myself have grinded professions, and ended ing them, go's to show that grinding is not the way to have the fun in the game (unless you STRIVE for those master titles, and badges). Real SWG game players interact with one another, if you are AFK how can you be socializing?




Shaizann
Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:59 pm
#6


Holy Necro Post, Batman!

Message Edited by Shaizann on 10-20-2004 09:01 PM



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Panthu
Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:21 pm
#7

Please don't necro post. It confuses people and makes the Mods freak out. O.o


Also, we started the AFK/Macro/Bot sticky largely so that these types of posts would not over run our forum and drive people away. We all know that this set up is a huge big deal to us, maybe the deal for us, but cluttering up the forum isn't going to help the issue get fixed any faster. If it was, I'd be all for it.


Please use the sticky for all posts that are just on these three items. Posts on income, Ent Healing, Buff improvements, or any other related topics are fine as new posts.


Also, the most current Issues thread will always be the best place to try to communicate your actual issues to the Devs as an official Dancer forum poster. Some topics might get higher visibility in other forums like Core Systems or GCW if they are topical, which is also a good thing to keep in mind.





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