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I don't care if you are old school, new school, or something else. I propose a truce.

So I propose a truce. We will agree to disagree about what we should or shouldn't be doing in the cantinas. Frankly, we both have a common concern about unattendedness. I'll put my trust in you all to ensure that whatever changes are made does not take away from my effort to earn a tip at the keys in the way I have always done. I do NOT want another situation like we had with /setperform and the group buff, which places, in my opinion,an undue encumbrence on performer/patron relations. But I'll try to play whatever game you decide you want to have after Publish 10.2, even if it places even more emphasis on the issuance of game mechanics as the basis of compensation.

In turn, I'd like you to read over whatever suggestions I may have to make your performer/patron relations easier, don't discount them out of hand, and give them an honest try. I have some thoughts about what you can do NOW to perhaps give you some enjoyment, your patrons some enjoyment, and your bank account fuller.

So the truce has been given. I am sorry, Drygo. Friends?

Madame Sirii Ajaan
August 2003-September 15, 2005
"There is a difference between being /watched and being WATCHED."

In essence, the only thing I disagreed with you about was the sense that it seemed as if you were advocating that in order to be a realentertainer you must always, first and foremost, be a chatterbox/therapist/bartender type persona. There didn't seem to be a lot of room or support for other types of entertainers.

I agree with you. You shouldn't have to do that if you don't want to. Not charging for buffing does not make you a bad entertainer. Similarly, not being a social butterfly does not make me a bad entertainer. It just makes us different.

I agree with you here as well. You should be tipped for putting forth that extraordinary effort in the social arena. Similarly, I feel like I should be tipped for my buffing abilities since I provide a service in doing so. Again, different types of entertainers, both just trying to be valid economically in our own arena of expertise.

I would even agree with you here. When I say I don't go out of my way to be social, it doesn't mean I don't talk or I don't try to do so. It just means that making that extra effort to do some of these things is beyond my particular scope of enjoyment. This might sound horrible, but I'll be honest, I don't have a whole lot of interest in hearing about other people's personal lives, or even some of their in game lives. A lot of times people *do* pique my interest. I'm just saying it's not my favorite form of entertainer gameplay. Similarly, I believe that putting more emphasis on putting on actual shows and performances, as well as getting rid of the scourge of afk and buffbots are directly related to a healthy cantina environment. Again, it's just that we're different types of entertainers who get the most enjoyment out of different ways of entertaining. Nobody's way is better than anybody else's. It's just that we can't try to force our particular style upon somebody else and say, "if you want to make tips you MUST do this." Instead, I think we'd be better served by trying to support and lift up *every* style of entertainer gameplay so that we can all have fun and make a living doing what we do best.

From my particular viewpoint, it appears that the socializers, especially the female ones, if what I read on these boards is true, can often be successful at making some credits. I'm not sure how this could ever be "broken," but it appears that it's not broken right now. Similarly, putting on shows and making money that way is also not broken. What is broken, however, is the healing/buffing portion of our gameplay. Granted, some people do not feel like participating in this, which is fine. But, for those that do, changes need to be made. I just think it's kind of a disservice that, instead of helping to make these changes to make that portion of our gameplay viable, some people say, "don't worry about that, do this instead." Well, the thing is I don't want to do the "instead," because that's not why I play an entertainer.

The thing is, we're always gonna disagree about stuff, it's human nature. Perhaps a better truce would simply be to agree that all of our styles are valid and not to try to tell each other how to play.

PS I have, in the past, taken suggestions from the board, including yours, to try to be a better entertainer. So, that part's covered already.

Draygo said:

I just think it's kind of a disservice that, instead of helping to make these changes to make that portion of our gameplay viable, some people say, "don't worry about that, do this instead.

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Draygo.. A lot of those of us who have been pointing out and advocating what you call Type1 and 2 entertainers have never said the buffbots weren't a problem. We didnt say Dont worry about them.

But in this forum.. to a new player reading them who wants to take up Dancing the perception gained from them is that the Dance Profession is totally dead, totally unplayable, and absolutely impossible to play and will Remain so until Buffbots are made to go away. Thats TRULY the impression it leaves. I've had a number of people tell me Exactly that both In-game and Out. A friend of mine who started the game recently WAS going to take up Dance UNTIL she read the forums prior to creating her character. After she did she said there was NO way she was going to create a dancer. Took me some long talks with her to convince her that the profession WAS viable.

Those of us who say.. Hey WAIT a minute!... are trying to get across to others who may not have been around before buffs were added that there ARE other ways to play the profession that are totally independant of the buffbot issue.

You know MY feelings. I never cared one way or the other about buffbots. WhatI cared about was the SPAM that made it impossible to be a Socially oriented Dancer. That was more an an attribute of the Holo craze than the buffbots problem.

That being said, I Fully, totally and steadfastly stand behind the effort to get rid of the buffbots. And when I have an opportunity I go out of my way to make buffbots lives as difficult as possible.

But in the MEANTIME... the new people who want to play entertainers DO need to know that there is something more to the profession than buffing and that if you're a socially oriented player, its entirely possible to make a good living as a Dancer whether there's a buffbot standing 10 ft away or not. And in THAT areaI DO think we've gotten so fixated on the buffbot problem that we've neglected the other sides of Dance.

Euclase
Master Dancer/Master ID
Bria

Come on Euclase - it's DRYGO.

Kirah. I NEVER claimed I could type... lol Sorry. Not intentional... I just have dyslexic fingers.

Euclase
Master Dancer/Master ID
Bria

If it helps you to remember to call me Drygo, I'll share a brief story with you. I don't know how true this is or not, but a long time ago, I was dancing in a Cantina and one of the other entertainers there asked me if I was Swedish. I said no, why? He said that he was Swedish and that in the Swedish language, Drygo means "pain in the ass."

Maybe that will help you.

Paks
Master Ranger/Master Creature Handler
-I support ATK play

My RL name means "little goat" in Spanish.

don't ask

Toshee

All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. - Sun Tzu - The Art of War