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Thread: Poll: Idea to Improve Dancer in the Short-Term
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Esharra
Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:28 pm
#1
This would bring to usability a significant percentage of our content. It would double the number of dances that I am willing to perform. Not to mention that some sort of developer nod in our direction would keep a lot of entertainersfrom leavingthe profession.
Xyrdre wrote:
Would it be relatively simple to figure outwhyour Formal and Lyrical base dances aren't displaying to others properly, and tackle this one thing in the short term?
1. YES!!! If I had Formal and Lyrical (1&2) displaying correctly to others, I could use these in my dance performances to have more fun.It would be a nice addition to help tide things over until the Hutt Casino is really ready to launch, and the end of thehologrind clears up our cantinas a bit.
Electro
Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:05 pm
#2
2. No
Nothing in the short term will have any positive impact on our profession short of doing away with AFKheal/buff-bots. That's what we should be pushing for, not a few "here's a bug fix from release, now go away and be good little happy dancers" changes.
Schardour
Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:26 pm
#3
Electro wrote:
Nothing in the short term will have any positive impact on our profession short of doing away with AFKheal/buff-bots. That's what we should be pushing for, not a few "here's a bug fix from release, now go away and be good little happy dancers" changes.
Awww, c'mon Electro, you know they could spare an intern or two to look at the base dances for a few minutes. It's a problem that should NOT be too difficult to fix, if they would just do it rather than ignore it. Put the regular devs on the real problems asap, but toss a few resources towards fixing the little problems even sooner. SOE isn't very good at tidying up their loose ends.
Xyrdre
Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:44 pm
#4
If I thought I had the definitiveanswer that would actually work to do away with AFKers and buffbots permanently, while still being feasible in the big picture of things, I would present it. Still, too much depends on what is coming in the near future to really have an educated opinion of what should be done now. Let's see what actually happens after the end of hologrinding totell what the new environment will look like. I'm not expecting a miraculous disappearance of all AFK, but we may not have the same problems then that we do now (yes, we may have all new ones, that's to be expected at every turn for every profession). It may turn into a very small thing on its own, and we could then better direct our efforts in other arenas. In the meantime, I don't expect anything to be "done" about it. Rather than kick and scream at a dead horse, I'd like to see something cool for dancers for a change.
In the meantime... I can think of some things that might just help out, might be feasible now, and would be a step in the right direction. This poll is one idea.
So...
No need to derail this fine thread any further. Let's get back to the polling!
Eira, was that a response of YES!!!, or NO!!! ?
Xyrdre
Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:47 pm
#5
Grr... curse the Lithium formatting on my last post...
I thought I should mention as well that this idea is not intended to be the be-all, end-all fix for the Dancer profession, but simply (as the subject states) a way to improve things, here and now, in the shorter term.
Vote now! BANZAI!
Enpherno
Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:29 pm
#6
1. YES!!! If I had Formal and Lyrical (1&2) displaying correctly to others, I could use these in my dance performances to have more fun.It would be a nice addition to help tide things over until the Hutt Casino is really ready to launch, and the end of thehologrind clears up our cantinas a bit.
I think getting these dances fixed would be a great benefit. I have been in situations many many times where I thought Lyrical 2 would be perfect, but didn't do it because if I am not flourishing every moment it looks very silly. Lyrical is a very fun dance to do and it is a great shame it is broken.
Schardour
Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:35 pm
#7
Of course it's a YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
I said I want to see the simple problems fixed once and for all. Giant sweeping "Where do we stand?" issues are going to need alot of attention and can't be addressed with a hotfix.
PoetDancer
Thu Jun 03, 2004 6:16 pm
#8
To me, this goes to the heart of the developers' mindset when it comes to dancing. They worked before, they do not work now, and there has been little effort to rectify the situation. Its almost like the food bug, or carbineer problems. A bug that severely hampers our ability to play the game. Why does it? After all, the dances are fine in terms of the functionality of what they do. However, they are not aesthetically pleasing. Which leads me to believe that the developers have lost sight of the notion that the aesthetics are crucial to us in a way unique to our class. And if they do not see the importance of good visuals to our class, who is to say they will give us any new ones? How on earth can they justify in their minds the need to give us new dances and toys when it seems so hard to convince them of the need to repair the old ones?
Drygo
Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:47 pm
#9
To be honest, I agree with electro. While, yes, I would love to see these base dances fixed, just like I will love to see the Hutt Casino and no doubt be very excited when it happens, the news that it was delayed wasn't *too* big of a disappointment to me.
IMO, I think the only thing that will save the dancer community is all directly related to buffing. I know a lot of people could care less about buffing and just want to do the performance thing, and I greatly respect that. And, believe me, one of my absolute favorite things to do in the game is to actually *perform.* But, I kinda feel like that is good enough for my satisfaction. Fixing the dances would be GREAT, but it's not going to make me happy. 
The only thing that will make me happy really happy in both the short term and long term (because really it doesn't take much to make me happy), is if all of our buffing issues were fixed and dealt with satisfactorily. This means no more afk buffbots, this means fixing the dual dancer/musician bug, and this means allowing us to buff ourselves. When/if that happens I'll be a very happy camper and probably never even care if anything else is ever done for our profession. I know that may be an unpopular opinion among many of you. But, like I said, fix the dances? great. Hutt Casino? I have no doubt it's going to amazing. And, yeah, I *do* want content thrown our way from time to time. But, if I am going to be completely honest here, I think our social/roleplay tools are already quite wonderful. Additions are great. But, I think it's our usefulness in the overall SWG universe that is completely messed up and that is causing me the greatest amount of angst. Fixing the lyrical and formal base dances would certainly be nice, but it won't make me happy for more than a week.
So, regretfully, I have to vote no on this poll.
Pappi
Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:31 pm
#10
for the record, I've grilled Ood_bnar since the first time I've met him about the formal/lyrical base dances... but he's overworked I don't know when they'll be fixed, but maybe I can try asking again at the fanfest 
I don't know when they'll be fixed, but maybe I can try asking again at the fanfest
Xyrdre
Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:56 am
#11
Here is a question for the dancercommunity, our correspondents, and the devs, with a bit of a community poll thrown into the mix.
In light of delays to the Hutt Casino (which I understand the reasoning for, and am okay with), I started thinking about other ways that might help out our profession in smaller, easier to accomplish (i.e., faster) ways. Here might be one of those.
For the Correspondents / Devs / other knowledgable entities:
Would it be relatively simple to figure outwhyour Formal and Lyrical base dances aren't displaying to others properly, and tackle this one thing in the short term?
I do notknow what the coding issues are, so this may not be a small thing in the overall picture. It seems like it should be something small though, as we have several other dances that do display to others correctly, and the difference between those and Formal/Lyricalare not obvious to me.
Are there codingissues specific to Formal and Lyrical (and their 2's)that have prevented these from being worked out? If it'snot something really messy, I think that working out the Formal/Lyrical base dance issue would be a wonderful thing to tide us over until the Hutt Casino is really ready to go for us. Believe me... I'd much rather wait to get something that you're all proud to release to us than something that was hurried. Having these dancesdisplaycorrectly to others watchingwould feel to meas ifI suddenly had several more dances to use in my repertoire, without the need for new art/animation/motion capture. It could be a very nice way to add some dances in a relatively simple fashion.
Poll for the Community:
If... and I say if... (let's not start right out with any false hopes here... recipe for disaster.. ) it turns out that the coding work to get our Formal and Lyrical dances up and running again is something that could be worked out in the shorter-term for us, would that be a nice thing to work with while we await the Hutt Casino and the end of the hologrind?
) it turns out that the coding work to get our Formal and Lyrical dances up and running again is something that could be worked out in the shorter-term for us, would that be a nice thing to work with while we await the Hutt Casino and the end of the hologrind?Here are the categories:
1. YES!!! If I had Formal and Lyrical (1&2) displaying correctly to others, I could use these in my dance performances to have more fun.It would be a nice addition to help tide things over until the Hutt Casino is really ready to launch, and the end of thehologrind clears up our cantinas a bit.
2. NO!!! I do not think that getting our dances fixed would be of any use to my gameplay or fun, even if it is one of the things that might be possible towork in before JTL.
My personal thoughts:
I would like to see smaller, accomplishable additions to Dancer come steadily rather than continue to wait for some mythical (at this point) Dancer Revamp.
It does seem to be something that would be an easier and quicker fix than creating whole new dances and flourishes, or creating new themeparks, or some of the elusive "content" that we all want so badly, but have a very difficult time defining in specific terms what we'd be thrilled with. In other words, a potentially achievable goal today, not "someday".
I would personally feel like I had gained two whole new dances in my repertoire if the base animations displayed to other players reliably, and would find this to be a wonderful thing to add to my gameplay between now and JTL. Yes, from a development standpoint, this would tide me over just fine until the larger game issues the devs are working out are finished and they've got some time to put into giving us some more well done bits.
So... question, comment, and vote now! BANZAI!
Reachwind
Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:22 am
#12
The one change I wish that was made right now?
I wish that /bandflo gave xp like in beta to anyone in the group that executed the flourish.
Other than that it's I think it'spasttime for targeted healing. IE the dancer selects the person they want to heal with their performance and executes a command to start the healing. If we had to target the person we wanted healed then all of this AFK nonsense would be a thing of the past. Passive healing DOES NOT encourage ATK playing.
kirah_ashlin
Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:26 am
#13
You know what would save the dancer class for me? Just a little attention; just having a dev (doesn't even have to be TH) come in here and say "Hey, we hear you, we care about you and we want togive your profession the attention, fixes and goodies it deserves. Hang in there a little longer and we will do our best to make it right," would go a long way for me, personally.
Maybe I'm stillnaiive or gulible, but I'd like to see that happen . . . . .
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