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Thread: Need an opinion on if I should get myself flamed or not....

Doriana
Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:59 am
#1

Okay, I've noticed lately on my local trade forum that about 3/4 of the buffbots that I know of have been advertising that they are buying enhancement (but not BF healing, go figure) skill tapes.

So I thought it was time to resurrect my own buying tapes post.

My question is this:

Should I make the distinction that I'm always ATK and against AFKing? I know I will get flamed by someone, be it a bot or just someone who has no respect for real entertainers...but is it worth it? Is this a distinction that I should make and bring out when people aren't discussing it?

My goal in it would NOT be to get people to sell me more tapes, per se, and I know it will alienate at least some people who might have sold to me. I can live without them, which is why I don't bump my post very often (been at least a month I think). My goal would be more to make people think about where they get their buffs and who they sell to and just what they're doing. Just to make people think about where the money that's talking is coming from.

Is it worth it? Would the flames do more damage to our image? Would it be yet another useless battle?

Let me know what you guys think. Right now I'm leaning towards "no," and the reasons why make me very sad.

If I did do it, it would probably be in the form of a sig.




Doriana | Anabelle

Elder MasterDancer | (sensor hibernating)

-I support ATK people and playstyles.



Kreistor
Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:20 am
#2


Wow, a truly intriguing question.


The truth is in past experience I guess. We've seen buffbot advertising on some of the Galaxy boards, and as soon as anyone makes a comment against it, no matter how benign, they get blasted for it.


It really depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking to try to push our views on others, then great. If you're expecting a debate, I haven't seen evidence that you'll get a good one. The typical answers of "You guys aren't online to give me a buff so I HAVE to get it from a bot!!" will echo through the boards once again.


I myself lean on the no side myself, but that's mostly because I probably wouldn't be able to control my anger. For someone who is really good at debating objectively, it could be a fun passtime





Ub-ick Esava
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Lowca - Master Dancer Extraordinaire
*CENSORS* Cantina, Honor's Keep, Corellia,
AliceCatherine
Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:31 am
#3


I hate to say this, and I do not think this is true of every seller, but this has been my observation: All that matters to many sellers is how much they can get for an item, not who is buying the item or who could use it more.I understand that this is good business for those that need the money, but it hurtsATK entertainers. Buffbots, in my opinion, made it more difficult of us ATK entertainers to get skill tapes. Though we have a fixed income, many buffbots are funded by people whohave access to a great deal more money. A few months ago, people rarely bothered auctioning enhance tapes because they knew entertainers had little money. Now, the tape that would have gone for 100k is going for 1 million or more. I have been buying skill tapes for some time now, and because I will not pay ridiculous prices for tapes, have been outbid quite a few times. I hope buffbots are removed from the game, but in the meantime, I doubt it will matter if you tell the seller that you are ATK.If you decide to make your status known, I truly hope that you get better deals because of it. Good luck to you


Jacinda

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Xyrdre
Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:32 am
#4


It depends too on whether you're trying to spark a bot/not-bot debate, or really just trying to get your hands on a good tape.


I've met a lot of players who do not support bots at all, and very quietly reserve all theirhealing and buffing needsfor live dancers. They don't make the stinks on the boards, they just go about their business until they find one of us. Then they quietly tell us how much we're appreciated, have great conversations, and tip well.


Stating that you're always ATK might get the response from some of them... you never know, there might be someone out there with a +25 enhancement tapewho doesn't like AFK bots, and has been quietly waiting for the opportunity to finda live dancerto put it to good use.






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Doriana
Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:52 pm
#5

woo, thankies for the comments.

I don't really WANT to start a debate, I would ideally just phrase it so it's obvious but not run around yelling "BOTS ARE EVIL" or something. Just to get the people who are willing to think about it to think about it. I'm just wondering if that's even possible any more.. if I'm even allowed to express my own preference for ATK vs. AFK without getting flamed just for having it in a sig.

I have a full set of tapes so i'm not really worried about that, though I'm sick of always wearing the same dancing outfit to buff.. I'm really looking to buy some to give to a friend who is re-levelling dancer.... though to be completely honest I'd probably keep any exactly +5s for myself.

In the past what's happened is that friends (without any prompting) posted things for me about me being always ATK.. and then that thread got so long with that and bumps that I made a new one.

I think I'm gonna mull this over some more, and maybe make me up a sig and squint at it and think more. I had one for a while and took it down because I didn't want to deal with nasty comments about it -- I got one and realized that I, like Ub-ick, have a good chance at not being able to control my anger. I do a better job of it here than in game, though, hehe.




Doriana | Anabelle

Elder MasterDancer | (sensor hibernating)

-I support ATK people and playstyles.



FuschiaD
Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:35 pm
#6

Ooh, what was in your sig? *looks interested*




~*~ F U S C H I A D A R K W A L K E R ~*~
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~*~ A V A D I H A L O N A - S O E P ~*~
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"You don't really rank around here unless you've been flamed by Oben, trolled by Mono, set straight by Geen, got caught in a love triangle between Cherry and Anoq, had your house decorated by Kipera, hugged by Esin, fondled by Fuschia, had IG respond with something inane and nonsensical, or at the very least been (a.) asked "can I have your stuff" or (b.) been accused of being a Todd by any number of random Tarquinian posters." --TalonKarrdeTN/Tyndaleon


FuschiaD
Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:15 am
#7

I would state very clearly that I am not a buffbot, and that I am a live dancer... but then again, I've never been one to shy away from a potential argument on something I'm passionate about.



~*~ F U S C H I A D A R K W A L K E R ~*~
Yes, I'm a respec Jedi. Get over it.
~*~ A V A D I H A L O N A - S O E P ~*~
Entertainer For Life - COMPNOR Eye Candy

"You don't really rank around here unless you've been flamed by Oben, trolled by Mono, set straight by Geen, got caught in a love triangle between Cherry and Anoq, had your house decorated by Kipera, hugged by Esin, fondled by Fuschia, had IG respond with something inane and nonsensical, or at the very least been (a.) asked "can I have your stuff" or (b.) been accused of being a Todd by any number of random Tarquinian posters." --TalonKarrdeTN/Tyndaleon


Kreistor
Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:32 am
#8






Doriana wrote:

I think I'm gonna mull this over some more, and maybe make me up a sig and squint at it and think more. I had one for a while and took it down because I didn't want to deal with nasty comments about it -- I got one and realized that I, like Ub-ick, have a good chance at not being able to control my anger. I do a better job of it here than in game, though, hehe.




Hehe, yep sounds like me.


When my guild created a buffbot, even though they had an anti AFK Macro policy, I changed the name of my cantina to "Welcome to <guildname>, where we love our AFK Macros!!"


Some people weren't pleased. They threatened to kick me from the guild. As if I wasn't planning on leaving anyway





Ub-ick Esava
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Bria - Working towards Master Dancer one fall at a time

Lowca - Master Dancer Extraordinaire
*CENSORS* Cantina, Honor's Keep, Corellia,
Doriana
Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:34 am
#9

Actually I don't remember exactly what I put in the sig before, something similar to what I went ahead and put in this time. Seemed very benign to me and I was surpised someone complained but I was still on the fence about if I should make a fuss out of game (I've always made a fuss in game) over ATK vs. AFK so I dropped it.

But I'm probably not going to care if someone complains this time. I'm just about to the point where I will simply tell them to bring it, though I'm never going to be at the point where I deliberately post a troll post to start a debate. I have little to no buffing business thanks to AFK buff bots, I have little to no need for being around to heal thanks to AFKers, my friends that I buff up (and was so adamant in getting those tapes for, to provide us every PvP edge I could) already support me on AFK vs. ATK and won't blink an eye... What do I have to lose?

oh, anyone know if we can put HTML in sigs or is it weird board code type stuff? html I can do but I dunno much about the other stuff. The help menu said we could use HTML if it was enabled, but did it tell me if it was enabled? I assume so but if not I'd have one silly looking sig

Thanks again for the responses, it's really helping me sort through my thoughts.




Doriana | Anabelle

Elder MasterDancer | (sensor hibernating)

-I support ATK people and playstyles.



FuschiaD
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:22 am
#10

HTML in sigs has been disabled. I wish they'd reenable it, I'd love to have glowy letters in my sig. We can use colors and different fonts and stuff, but that's about it.




~*~ F U S C H I A D A R K W A L K E R ~*~
Yes, I'm a respec Jedi. Get over it.
~*~ A V A D I H A L O N A - S O E P ~*~
Entertainer For Life - COMPNOR Eye Candy

"You don't really rank around here unless you've been flamed by Oben, trolled by Mono, set straight by Geen, got caught in a love triangle between Cherry and Anoq, had your house decorated by Kipera, hugged by Esin, fondled by Fuschia, had IG respond with something inane and nonsensical, or at the very least been (a.) asked "can I have your stuff" or (b.) been accused of being a Todd by any number of random Tarquinian posters." --TalonKarrdeTN/Tyndaleon


DarkY0da
Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:23 am
#11

Well I do have a hyper link in my sig... so some HTML does work... *shrug*


My vote for this thread...


/flameon


Go for it



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