Dancer Archive

I'm a Warrior classed Wookiee. I need to go to the cantinas to get my mind fixed. Heck I basically use the cantinas as a house. I logout in them, and when I'm bored go there to craft my traps and such.

I always tip aleast one entertainer when I am there. It's rude to just sit there and not even tip anyone. Kinda like the 2 drink minimum in a (blush) Strip Club. My tips are not always small either. They avg. between 250 and 1000 credtis depending on how my missions are going.

Three times now I have gone into the Cantina in Coronet, Corellia, Eclipse, tipped a dancer, and not even recieved a thank you.

Now I'm not looking for anything else, but alittle thanks would have been nice.

I'm sure your thinking, "well if they are AFK and running a Macro then they can't say thanks", but I made sure to tip someone that wasn't AFK (the macros I can't tell) and still no thanks, and this was a 1000 credit tip.

Now I can say that every musician I have ever tipped has said thank you.

Recently I traveled to Naboo Kaadara to be exact and experienced the same thing.

I work hard for my money, and generally don't have alot (Usually under 7k), but when i give that money to someone else am I wrong to expect a thank you?

This is one Wookiee Warrior who is well on the way to tipping only Musicians.

Well, one thing to consider, if we thanked everyone who gave us a tip, some patrons would think, "wow, they are making loads of money, no need for me to tip too". I usually give a wink or a smile if I get a large tip or a compliment, but generally, the tip is payment for a service you recieved, its kinda like expecting a cashier to say thanks when you pay for something you got at the store, you are expected to pay for the tiem, just like you are expected to tip. Not that being friendly ever hurt and will definately do more good than bad as far as your reputaion goes. Another thing, when you are doing a lot of flourishes and getting healed its easy to mis a tip message in all the spam going across the top of the screen. So don't take it personally, the tips are always appreciated, we just dont always come out and SAY thank you.

You can always use tells for a thank you. Missing a tip message is one thing, but there is a private channel available if you don't want people to think you're getting tons of tips.

I *always* thank people, at the very least privately, for tips. The only time you will not get a thank you from me is if I am at keys and simply miss the message.

Caterofe --

Two things here. Probably the first does not apply to you specifically, but as an entertainer I see it a lot, so I thought I would mention both.

1. (minor) Make sure you wait around long enough to get the reply. 50% of the time people tip me and run out, while I am still spinning the camera to find them, target them, and punch out an appropriate emote like /wink %NT or /flirt %NT or what have you. If you /tip 100 and zoom out of the cantina you can't get a thank-you. I am guessing you aren't doing that but just in case.

2. (major) Entertainers, you may not know, see XP fly across their screen while they are doing their thing. If people are being healed, you can see 4+ system messages per second -- "You perform a flourish", followed by 2-3 healing messages, a music XP message, etc. If you tip me in the middle of that, the tip may fly right off my screen before I see it. Especially if I am RPing with someone else at the moment, or typing something, or if I have hit ctrl-A to find out an emote syntax or something. Such things happen. I have tried to help fix this by coloring the words "tips you" red, which helps, but I still have to see it. We have asked for a "cha-ching" sound to alert us to tipping, and maybe someday we will get it, but we don't have it right now. How to solve this much more major problem? Here is my advice: roleplay the tipping. In other words, pose it. Something like "/wink (dancer). Nice moves, honey. Here's something for your troubles." Then /tip. The dancer is much more likely to see the emote, and then can respond to you in kind. Regardless of tip amount. In fact amount rarely matters. I usually see the red "tips you" words, look for the name, and zoom the camera around to find the tipper... I only check the amount (maybe, if I have time) later. If at all. Whatever the tip is, I try to say thank you -- but I have to know you did it.

It may be that there are ungrateful dancers. It may be that they are AFK without you realizing it (there are, unfortunately, ways). But it is also true that sometimes you just don't see the tip alert message, and it is an honest oversight. Roleplaying a little with the dancer will correct it if that is the case.

AND... if you make some poses and they don't respond, you can assume they are AFK, and then, IMO.... no tip.

C

I always say thank you and give a smile to show my appreciation for people who heal my action or tip me. If someone talks to me, I always respond back. If they want to engage in conversation, I will do so cheerily. If they want to flirt, I'll do that too. I will however not do anything that compromises my principles.

So there are dancers who will thank you and truly appreciate it. Those that don't respond are probably afk/macroing so don't bother to tip 'em again - tip someone else! (hehe) What you can do is do a 'test tip', tip a little bit. If they don't respond, they're probably afk/macroing so don't bother. If they do respond, you can augment your tip to something really nice to show your appreciation for them being there.

If someone runs out before I can target and then thank them, I always send them a TELL thanking them.

Two problems with the /tell method.

1. (minor-ish) It is out of character. I try to RP as close to 100% of the time as possible. If the guy really wants a thank you, he ought to stick around. I shouldn't have to /tell him.

2. (major-ish) People often have VERY hard to type names. While I am trying to get the name of the tipper typed right with a /tell, how many other RP opportunities and possibly /tip thank yous am I going to miss?

Bottom line: If you expect a thank you for your tip, STICK AROUND for a minute or three. If you tip and run, I don't feel for you not being thanked.

C

Some dancers actually turn off the system info in the chat tab, too. During busy times, it can be really really hard to keep track of what's going on with all of the experience spam, flourish spam, people coming in and saying hello, other people chatting about hunts, etc. Cutting out the system messages drastically reduces the amount of information passing through your chat window. Unfortunately, tip messages become one of the casualties. As Chessack suggested, though,adding an emote to the tip would circumnavigate that problem. If you still don't get a response, at least you'll know it's not because they didn't hear you. I have to believe that would be pretty rare, though. I know that every bit of polite recognition or appreciation I received when dancing just made my day, and it's difficult for me to believe that people who picked a social professionsuch asdancing would simply ignore kind gestures. We play for the applause.

I even set up my chat messages to be in a different window from my system messages (where tips and heals show up) AND I changed the chat color for sentences with "tip" or "heal" in them to show up red on my screen, and I STILL miss them occasionally because they fly by so quickly!

I always try to blow a kiss to anyone that tips or heals me, but sometimes the message flies by so fast that I miss it.

You know, I WANT to personally thank every person who gives me a tip, but the messages simply get missed sometimes. Is there some way to scroll through those system messages that pop up in the air over your head, or some channel that I can put up that shows them? If I go afk for 30 seconds, it might be long enough to miss a tip, OR I may notice the tip, but when I go to thank the giver, their name is no longer there for me to see.

I have set my messages to linger longer, and just last night a friend showed me how I can make any message with the word "tips" show up in bright red. Hope fully these will help, because it is never my intent to not thank people for even the smallest tip. I wish you could get an e-mail message for all tips that way you can keep track of them better.

Definitely yes on the minor and major, but I do the TELLs anyway because its the polite thing to do. If it gets really busy though, I wait until a slower time, and then send a TELL or wait until he/she shoes up again and then giving them some extra quality time to remind them that I do appreciate it. Rp the "tthank you for the tip last time! I'm so sorry I didn't get a chance to thank you."...etc...etc...

Best thing is to ALWAYS remember people's names who tip you. They like feeling that they're not just another blue name on the wall.

Good points all. I was just alittle frustrated. Also I'm not tha kinda person who says "Hey did you get the tip"...but Chessack has made a good point and a way for me to do so and not look like a complete a$$.

Thank you all forlistening to a grumpy Old Wookiee.

I do thiink that thanking people for tips (and heals) is definitely something that entertainers should do. I try always to do it even if I I have to send a tell.I think this is common courtesy even if you think that the amounts people are tipping are insignificant.

Unfortunately, I sometimes do not even see that I got one, and I am sure most dancers and muscians have the same problem. When you dance in a busy cantina with several other entertainers, there is often two dialogues going on.One ingroup chat channelin addition to the main channel. I often am switching between the two.Dancers (inclined to be among the more social players) alsoare often getting tells at the same time. I like to talk (in general) and more particularly with the audience when I dance. It is very easy to miss a single message in that kind of situation. I even missed the single biggest tip I ever received. The poor guy had to send me a tell to ask if I got it. Since then I look at my inventory periodically to see if I missed someone's tip, but even if I see a big increase in my credits, I might have to scroll back for a few minutes to figure out who to thank.

I really cannot agree that thanking people for tips discourages others from doing it. For all they know you could be thanking someone for a 10 credit tip (I do) or thanking them for something else all together.The people who do not want to tip usually do not need so thin a pretext. They just don't.I would acutally feel better if I thought more people had a bad conscience about it.