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Thread: State of the Game, Hutt Casino, Jedi, and such

Panthu
Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:48 am
#1

Oopsy, Clicky

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Let's try to keep all of our upset posts or concerns in this one thread instead of filling the forum with new ones. I'm trying to lure some redtags in here and they won't come into a warzone.


You can be upset, let's just keep it tidy!

Message Edited by Panthu on 06-03-2004 01:50 AM




P A N T H U Y GlitterUsagi
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DarkY0da
Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:05 am
#2



Hmm well.... lets see they have ID stuff... Wookie... More chat channels( I thought we could make these ourselves already...) Then we get Crafting/ Entertainer Quests (What does this mean though ?) Ohh more Emotes..(which I love but really doesn't help much) Wookies again...


So I'm guessing that means that before JTL we got More Chat Channels.. More Emotes both of which are an everyone kind of thing and not of any sort of direct action targeting us specificly... Then there is Crafting/Entertainer Quests... which does sound like it might help a little... like a band aid on a 12 inch open chest wound.


I made a little joke post earlier tonight in a thread a little farther down... sadly this makes me think of that post a little less like a joke. Hmm I have nasty little demons telling me things to write but I think I'll listen to my good judgement right now and leave it till later.




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ArgentWulf
Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:39 am
#3



/sigh. . .(Lei really feels like crying here, but refuses to give anyone the satisfaction!)


Like the previous post stated there are a couple glimmers of hope those being:


Mini Publish 9.2



 Crafting/ Entertainer Quest


+70 emotes (these could be cool, but if there is anything even remotely like the /lick command there will be one ticked off little Zabrak!


Someone else mentioned about wookies being more important than all our Ent classes combined. The get love two or three times before us. Not that I begrudge them. It just shows us our dwindling numbers. The Devs will go for the greater good for the greater base.


On an upbeat note I do appreciate the honesty opposed to lip service.


I'm just not sure how much more disappointment I can take.




Leivi Esava
Galaxy Girl for May 2005
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picklesSW
Thu Jun 03, 2004 6:38 am
#4
Ok, here's my one and only serious post for today.

Folks, if you're in this profession because of what may be coming down the pipeline, and not for what we have today, then I recommend you go find another profession to enjoy until the changes you want to see are fixed.

There is no way the entertainer professions, with our tiny comparative numbers and split player base, will ever get the same attention as the rest of the professions. Not gonna happen. Fuggetaboutit.

If you enjoy dancing today, then you're in the right profession. If you're not enjoying it and merely staying here holding out hope for changes that might revitalize things for you, well...take it from someone who has been there and back again. That way contains nothing but endless frustration. You'll be waiting and hoping forever. Find something else to do that you do enjoy.

Ok, no more serious Javy for today.




Esharra
Thu Jun 03, 2004 6:45 am
#5

I, too, appreciate the honesty. I appreciate my expectations being set appropriately for their plans. I'm glad we got it up front instead of hidden in the second paragraph of a sidepostaboutJTL.I'm just not too sure how much good re-doing the entertainer missions will do for the utter dispair that I'm hearing other entertainers express. Are the devs aware of how incredibly bad morale has gotten?


Sometimes I feel like I'm spending half my game time telling friends to keep their chin up.


Message Edited by Esharra on 06-03-2004 08:49 AM



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2. Bounty Hunter
3. Smuggler

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Electro
Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:43 am
#6
Honestly, is anyone really surprised by this? I'm not.
Ravanne_Esi
Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:06 am
#7

/sigh


I really wonder what SOE is thinking, they are ignoring their existing player base to develop a game that I for one have absolutly no interest in. Nothing I have seen about JTLS would entice me to purchase it. If I wanted a space combat game I would have bought that instead of SWG. Considering how long it will take to bring JTLS to market and the resources they will have to devote to fixing it because they will rush it like everything else they do, any new content or even fixes for our profession is at least a year away. I really wonder how many people will be content to put up with the current incomplete and flawed entertainer professions for another year?



Message Edited by Ravanne_Esi on 06-03-2004 10:07 AM



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Dvnce
Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:42 am
#8




Ravanne_Esi wrote:


/sigh


I really wonder what SOE is thinking, they are ignoring their existing player base to develop a game that I for one have absolutly no interest in. Nothing I have seen about JTLS would entice me to purchase it. If I wanted a space combat game I would have bought that instead of SWG. Considering how long it will take to bring JTLS to market and the resources they will have to devote to fixing it because they will rush it like everything else they do, any new content or even fixes for our profession is at least a year away. I really wonder how many people will be content to put up with the current incomplete and flawed entertainer professions for another year?




Message Edited by Ravanne_Esi on 06-03-2004 10:07 AM





Here is the way I look at it... there are two options.. Keep on schedule and push something out that is non funtional sub par art... plagued with bugs.... knowing the history of how long some noncombat issues take to get resolved... Or .. Wait a little while longer and have it released completed and done the right way ... ( ok there is a third but I dont think anyone would accept just not geting it.)


I started as a dancer and am in the process of mastering it again.. I am looking forward to some of this new Socially Focused Content.. But I personally would rather wait a little while if it meant that what I got would be better..





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Rigal
Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:06 am
#9

Dancers,


You are not alone in this take a look over at the Smuggler boards. We are as upset with the state of things to come as it appears some of you are.


Rigal


Master Smuggler


Tralmek
Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:42 am
#10





It appears that the letter was not supposed to be released yet. The Smuggler Correspondant didn't even know that it had been released andhadto feign ignorance about the issue. None of the links to theletter work anymore,but one of our smuggler friends copied a good deal of it into a post. So, here is the post, minus a few things...but most of those deal with Jedi.


Howdy folks... that time again :-) Last month we saw Publish 8: Droids Rebuilt reach its fruition, with a ton of new utility droids being added to the mix. We also saw two mini-publishes. Mini 8.1 focused on Image Designer enhancements and included some radical new looks for characters as well as a secure transaction interface that will extend to numerous other areas of the game.


Mini 8.2 saw the opening of the Death Watch Bunker, where there are some very tough hombres that are none too happy. There are rumors of awesome loot from this starting to trickle out into Live, including Mandalorian armor and Jetpacks!


This year's E3 allowed us to demo Jump to Lightspeed, which was an amazing experience! This was the first time we had shown it to the public and we fully realized just how much fun it already is!! There were countless occasions where we would find ourselves plinking at Hutt Fighters from the turret of a YT-1300, or chasing a Tie Fighter through an asteroid field, and have to tear ourselves away to realize that we were indeed in the middle of a demo. I assure you, this is going to completely transform SWG while tying in seamlessly with the ground game. It is simply incredible!!!


We will be doing a closed-invite Beta for JTL sometime between August and September. We really want to get a wide variety of players in the cockpit, so we are currently devising the numbers and groups for populating the beta. More on this from Bo'shek (Rich Vogel) in the near future...


Back on the ground, we are in the thick of Jedi Testing for Publish 9: Secrets of the Force. We are going to want to take an extra week or so to fully bake it in,


so it may be a bit more than two weeks from our last mini-publish (the Death Watch Bunker). We will keep you apprised at the progress, but we are currently targetting 6/22/04.


To test this massive system, we made a duplicate of the existing Test Server. We call it, originally enough, Test Center 2! We needed to create a large and robust test population, so we put together two groups and made them specific ranks.


- Existing Test Center players that were active within a certain period became Padawans.


- Existing Live Jedi that created characters on Test Center within a certain period became Jedi Knights.


Over the weekend there were in excess of a thousand simultaneous players on TC2! Much thanks to those of you logged in and helped us with testing. I would encourage you to continue doing so during the next couple of weeks, because we will be giving away starter packs, running some crazy tournaments and really trying to stress the system to its limits! Since Test Server 2 will be wiped at the end of the testing phase, it is really a free-for-all over there. Crazy. We may even try to set a bunch of Live Bounty Hunters loose at some time >:-)


One of the more controversial changes that is occurring with Publish 9 is that characters who unlock their slots Between Publish 9 and Publish 10 will not be able to immediately convert to a Padawan. There are a number of reasons why we feel the need to do this, but foremost is a transition period between Force Sensitive and Padawan that will not be done until Publish 10: The Jedi Trials. If you do unlock you will be notified, but not able to convert until P10. If you do not unlock but are along the way, partial credit will be given. This has been discussed in the past few Friday Features.


Looking forward, the three main systems that we are enhancing before Space are: Jedi, Combat Balance, and the Galactic Civil War (GCW). They are turning out to be extremely extensive (and extremely cool!). Accordingly, we want to focus as many resources as we can on them. This is challenging when doing parallel development of JTL, which in some ways is a completely new game.


We have made some adjustments to the Live schedule, based on our desire to fully realize each system.


Before I reveal our schedule, I want to shoot very straight with you. When I say things can and will change, I mean it. If we feel that we need to focus more on a particular system, we are going to adjust the schedule to allow it. My job as Senior Producer is to ensure that the overall project is successful, no matter what. This means trying to focus our resources on where they are most needed while keeping them healthy and happy. This also means adjusting the schedule and moving things out when other things are in jeopardy.


We could take 4 different approaches in our communications with you:


- Not tell you anything


- Give you the party line


- Try to get everything done and not do them well


- Do things right and tell you the truth


I want to tell you the truth. I want you to know what our priorities are, and what we are working on, and why things change. I guarantee some folks are going to scan this entire schedule, find the one line in it that refers to them, and go off about it. The truth is that we want to polish our game as much as we can, and we don't want to put out half-baked publishes. Part of the pain of hearing the truth is that it changes.


Without further ado, I present you with our current schedule:


*Snip snip*


Jedi and more Jedi...just about ONLY Jedi for the next three months...


*Snip snip*


Hutt Casino

We are REALLY excited about this social adventure, but we are running into art and design restrictions. Space is looking amazing... and we want it to be even more so! We are very strapped for Art resources at this time and can't create everything we want for this adventure until after Space.


Hutt Asteroid Base

For similar reasons, and we really want this to be something you reach by flying through space.



Smuggler revamp

We want to do this right too... and proper smuggling is very much augmented by space flight!


I know there will be some disappointment regarding the schedule shifts. Please remember that we want to open our schedules up to you as much as possible so you know what to expect. Live Service is an inexact science (to say the least!!) and will always include some shifts. Things have changed. They will continue to do so. We are giving you our best approximations. All along the way, smaller but vital enhancements are constantly being fixed and come out before and after these main publishes.


We are fully focused in making SWG the best MMOG there is out there. The game is very strong due to you, the players. The next few months have some revolutionary changes occurring, and I hope you are as psyched as I am!!


Finally, some of the team is gearing up to head out to Anaheim this week for the Fan Fest! I can't tell you how excited we are to hook up with the players, and see you folks meeting with each other. There are some great things planned, including several panels where you can grill us on all sorts of topics. Please be gentle ;-)


Best,


- Gary Gattis SOE Senior Producer, Star Wars Galaxies


Well, there you have it guys. I don't know if or when they are going to repost this (or maybe a new draft of it), but until they do this gives us something to work with.


-Lilo

Message Edited by Tralmek on 06-03-2004 04:35 PM



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Panthu
Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:15 pm
#11
Yes, our Casino has been pushed to post JTL. Yes, I just found out like yesterday.


I know we are disappointed about this. I don't think this is something we can get changed. To be perfectly blunt, I'd rather have the truth which is what G is offering here. When we had a chance to offer feedback on this in the Corre Forum, I pushed for more info on the three things I thought would most interest the Dancer Community:


  • Crafting/ Entertainer Quests

  • New Chat Channels

  • Hutt Casino

I know from seeing G's redraft that he considered what we said. I hope more information will be forth coming.


Please note: This has nothing to do with our bugs or our Bot situation. These are separate from new content like Missions, Dances, and the Casino. We are being pushed back in the fight for New Art, not on our other issues and bugs.





P A N T H U Y GlitterUsagi
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Tralmek
Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:31 pm
#12
My intent was not to say anything negative about Caylin's ability to keep up on the issues. By and large, I think that the correspondants for the professions I'm in do a GREAT job in their representation, and I honestly don't think I could stay on top of it like you do. The statement was more to say that SOE has a need to communicate more within themselves so that if the letter is not to be published, and they tell their community representatives that it will not be, then it should not be.


Anyway, if I offended either of you (Panthu or Caylin) I'm sorry. The comment was an observation about the lack of communication between SOE's arms (ever hear the phrase left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing?), not about a lack of good representation from our correspondants.


(BTW, I'll edit the above post from "tried" to feign ignorance to "had" to feign ignorance...hopefully that will relieve some of the confusion.)



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Smuggler_Caylin
Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:52 pm
#13
It's all good, while it could be taken badly, I was pretty sure that you didn't mean to slight me or anything. It's cool



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