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Thread: Rumors about how our profession works
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Drygo
Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:40 am
#1
Ok, I want to get some facts straight. As some of you may know, I'm levelling up another dancer on Tarquinas at the moment. And, there are a lot of people levelling up for the first time who seem to have a lot of ideas about how best to level up. Frankly, I'm getting annoyed with arguing with them about it. But, before I go ballistic and tell them off, I thought I'd check *my* facts first. Because, it's entirely possible that maybe I am wrong, and then I don't want to look like a complete **edit**. So, I figure I would pose these questions to you, the dancer community, the masters who've been doing this for as long as I have and even longer. I haven't levelled up Dancer in many moons so things may have changed, or there may be things that I don't know from when I first did it. So, if you will, please answer these questions for me, so I can go back in there with confidence. 
1.) Do we receive more experience if the wounded are grouped with us? I say no.
2.) Do the wounded heal faster if they are grouped with us? I say no.
3.) Do we get more experience if the wounded is both listening to a musician and watching a dancer? I say no, but I do admit that this one I am not 100% sure of because I've never really experimented with it. Back when I levelled up dancer the first time, I got all my healing before my dancing. Things were different then.
4.) Do we get experience for healing mind damage, as opposed to mind wounds? I say no.
5.) If you get diseased by a combat medic and watch somebody else, will you still get the healing exp while you are dancing? If I recall, the answer to this question is also no. But, this is another one that I am unsure of.
Thanks in advance.
Ok...got another one...bandflos...people insist that you get xp when someone else does a bandflo. I'm POSITIVE that dancers don't...but do musicians? Again, thanks.
Message Edited by Drygo on 06-05-2004 10:07 AM
DarkY0da
Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:50 am
#2
1.) Do we receive more experience if the wounded are grouped with us? I say no.
Pfft I say No as well.
2.) Do the wounded heal faster if they are grouped with us? I say no.
Again I've never noticed this/heard of this so ... NO.
3.) Do we get more experience if the wounded is both listening to a musician and watching a dancer? I say no, but I do admit that this one I am not 100% sure of because I've never really experimented with it. Back when I levelled up dancer the first time, I got all my healing before my dancing. Things were different then.
Hmm no idea. I don't think so though.
4.) Do we get experience for healing mind damage, as opposed to mind wounds? I say no.
Hmm I have no idea on this one.
5.) If you get diseased by a combat medic and watch somebody else, will you still get the healing exp while you are dancing? If I recall, the answer to this question is also no. But, this is another one that I am unsure of.
This one I'm very sure that you don't get the healing xp on. I was playing around with this one just last week and i'm pretty positive it doesn't work. But I have no idea if others get the healing xp off it...
DarkY0da
Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:53 am
#3
pfft can't wait till I figure out how to edit crap...
Anyways I've always thought that dancing Bflos worked the same. (and it's been forever ago that I played around with someone figuring it out) But from that I know that I've always thought that as long as they are hitting /flo # that they are getting the same xp. Even if they aren't doing their flourish animation but are doing the /blfo animation. *shrugs*
LOL and there it is the Edit option ... I wonder why I didn't know that was there before...
Message Edited by DarkY0da on 06-05-2004 11:54 AM
Electro
Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:16 pm
#5
1.) Do we receive more experience if the wounded are grouped with us? I say no.
No. Although, sort of in an odd way... provided the people are in group at least two minutes (so in effect you are ALSO buffing them) you'd get a TINY bit more healing experience.
2.) Do the wounded heal faster if they are grouped with us? I say no.
No, being in group makes no difference to healing rate.
3.) Do we get more experience if the wounded is both listening to a musician and watching a dancer? I say no, but I do admit that this one I am not 100% sure of because I've never really experimented with it. Back when I levelled up dancer the first time, I got all my healing before my dancing. Things were different then.
No. Although the patron will heal faster if both watching and listening I believe. (In effect it will LOOK like you get more experience, but it is higher exp for a shorter duration, amount healed and therefor experience remains the same.)
4.) Do we get experience for healing mind damage, as opposed to mind wounds? I say no.
No. Battle Fatigue and wounds are all we get experience for.
5.) If you get diseased by a combat medic and watch somebody else, will you still get the healing exp while you are dancing? If I recall, the answer to this question is also no. But, this is another one that I am unsure of.
Absolutely not. SOMETIMES you can finesse this but it rarely works. Basically if you get diseased and are not dancing, then start listening to a musician (don't watch another dancer) then start dancing you might give the group (not you) some experience, but it isn't worth bothering with since it rarely works.
6.people insist that you get xp when someone else does a bandflo. I'm POSITIVE that dancers don't...but do musicians? Again, thanks.
The only person that gets exp for a bandflo is the person who issued the command, all others simply use action. This is the same for both dancers and musicians.
Groovymarlin
Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:54 pm
#6
Electro wrote:
6.people insist that you get xp when someone else does a bandflo. I'm POSITIVE that dancers don't...but do musicians? Again, thanks.
The only person that gets exp for a bandflo is the person who issued the command, all others simply use action. This is the same for both dancers and musicians.
Thanks Electro, somehow I myself missed that bandflo question.
Here are some interesting things about bandflos which I didn't learn until a few months ago.
- Musician-initiated bandflos do not cause dancers to flourish, and dancer-initiated bandflos do not cause musicians to flourish, even if the musicians and dancers are grouped together. You can only cause your same class (i.e., dancer or musician) to flourish with a bandflo.
- You can turn bandflos off and on. If you don't want to accept any, just type /bandflo off. You'll get a system message that you're no longer accepting them. To turn them back on, type /bandflo on.
- You can macro bandflos just like regular flourishes. Check with your bandmates before running it though. 
- Musicians can actually bandflo specific instruments. Something like /bandflo 1 slitherhorn would make just the slitherhorns in the group do a flourish 1. (I am not a musician so I'm not positive of the syntax.)
- As stated above, only the person who initiates the bandflo gets xp for the flourish. One way to get around this is to trigger your own flourish as soon as someone else has started a bandflourish. You'll do the bandflo flourish instead of the one you kicked off, but you'll still get the xp for the command that you issued. This can be tricky and, of course, is best used by performers who are ATK and paying attention. Hee hee.
DarkY0da
Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:24 pm
#7
just as a small note even if your dancing you can /b 3 Ommni and get all the Ommni's to hit flo 3. As for the getting the same xp doing bflos when you hit a flo. When I tested I never bothered to see if it made any difference if you were in the middle of the bflo animation or if you had to hit /flo as soon as the bflo went off. I've not seen anything that makes me think it really matters. But hopefully here in a bit I can find someone to help me run a few tests.
As for the getting the same xp doing bflos when you hit a flo. When I tested I never bothered to see if it made any difference if you were in the middle of the bflo animation or if you had to hit /flo as soon as the bflo went off. I've not seen anything that makes me think it really matters. But hopefully here in a bit I can find someone to help me run a few tests.
Groovymarlin
Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:33 am
#8
OK, based on my experience....
1.) Do we receive more experience if the wounded are grouped with us?
No. Sounds like a distortion of the group buff procedure. And of course we actually get more experience the more entertainers are in the group, not wounded people.
2.) Do the wounded heal faster if they are grouped with us? I say no.
No.
3.) Do we get more experience if the wounded is both listening to a musician and watching a dancer?
No. As long as the musician and dancer are in the same group, they both get xp for the healing of a patron, as long as the patron listens to the musician or watches the dancer. I think patrons can do both, but it doesn't increase the xp at all.
4.) Do we get experience for healing mind damage, as opposed to mind wounds?
We can't heal mind damage, only wounds and battle fatigue. Damage = white space in the mind bar, we can't heal that. Wounds = black space on the mind bar, that we can heal. The only ways in game currently to heal mind damage are a.) combat medics and b.) certain foods/drinks (blue milk? aitha? can't remember which).
5.) If you get diseased by a combat medic and watch somebody else, will you still get the healing exp while you are dancing?
No. You'll get xp based on other people watching you and others in your group, you never get xp based on YOU watching someone else, just like you don't get xp when you dance to heal yourself (if you're all alone).
And remember boys and girls...dancers get the highest dance xp by doing their highest dance, while musicians get the highest music xp by using their highest instrument. When it comes to healing xp, it's all the same and as far as I know it doesn't matter what dance, instrument, or song is involved.
Kreistor
Mon Jun 07, 2004 8:44 am
#9
One thing I'd like to add (a real peeve of mine 
) is that musicians do NOT get more XP by playing the highest level song. So there's no need to sound like crap when playing. XP gain all depends on which instrument is being played.
FuschiaD
Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:06 am
#10
LOL, Poor Drygo... He's playing on Tarquinas for me, but we have a lot of stupid people. And we're one of the less populated servers, so our concentration of stupid players is THAT much higher. I know why he's asking some of these... I was in the cantina talking to Dry one night, and the leader of the group kept inviting me to group over and over. This was on Fuschia, who's not a dancer. I kept declining and finally was like "STOP IT!" And he said that I healed faster if I was grouped. I was like uhhhhh, no, I don't, at which point he accused me of being rude. *rolls eyes*
Panthu
Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:37 pm
#11
/comfort Drygo
The rumors make me nutsy too... I try to read the situation before I decide if I should try to correct them, lol. It's easy to come off as hostile when all you're really wanting to do is help. *shrug*
Oh well, good luck! You know what you are doing, stick to your guns. I'm glad you are going to have Avadiha for dancingand Fuschia for muscle now. 
I'm glad you are going to have Avadiha for dancingand Fuschia for muscle now.
Tiaga
Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:19 pm
#12
Kreistor wrote:One thing I'd like to add (a real peeve of mine
Not true. Musician xp is based on the song OR instrument played; whichever is higher. While it's true playing waltz on a chid horn gives no more xp than playing starwars1 on a chid horn, it is also true it's no more xp than playing waltz on a slitherhorn. However waltz on a Traz is more xp than starwars1 on a Traz.
Kreistor
Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:22 am
#13
Tiaga wrote:
Not true. Musician xp is based on the song OR instrument played; whichever is higher. While it's true playing waltz on a chid horn gives no more xp than playing starwars1 on a chid horn, it is also true it's no more xp than playing waltz on a slitherhorn. However waltz on a Traz is more xp than starwars1 on a Traz.
Wow, really? Well tie my lekku in a bunch, thanks for the info!
So, when I walk into a cantina and hear the mishmash of music then it's for a reason? That's too bad. I like the SWG music when more than one instrument is playing
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