Dancer Archive
Thread: If lack of tips really enrages you....
we should have a game wide refusal of service. we just sit in the cantinas and when those "uber leet" marksmen demand that we dance,we just say no. eventually the battle fatigue and mind wounds would become so great they can't even function and they would come begging for a dance. and before anyone says anything like "if we don't dance we don't get exp" and my answer for that is shutup about tips if you want the exp. can you just imagine a brawler coming in with 400 or moremind wounds ! this would raise awareness about the usefulness of dancers and everyone would tip very generously after that.
Although this probably would never happen it's always nice to think it might
What I DO do is offer a little more than standing and staring off into space hitting a macro key every once in a while and never saying a word like so MANY dancer seem prone to do. Seems like the basic philosophy is "Make womans body. Shake body parts. Get tips"
As much as we might like to THINK it sometimes, guys AREN'T stupid!! And they DON'T like being treated as fools.
I see girls coming into the Cantina every day, Drop their street clothes and start dancing. Never say a word to ANYONE except MAYBE a "Thanks" when we invite em to the group. Then they go brain dead. Meanwhile I'm greeting all our customers, talking to them, asking how the hunting trip went that they told me about the day before, teasing one who got his butt kicked by a Nuna, laughing at the their jokes, telling my own to make them laugh, engaging in Serious discussions about things they want to talk about.
In other words. I'm WORKING my tail off!!! Once in a while I even get time to do some flourishes.
Then an hour later the new girls FINALLY speaks. "I'M leaving. NOBODY tips in here!" Meanwhile I check and I've made 5k or 10k during her coma.
Just goes to show you. Value for Value. You get paid based on the value of the Service you offer the Consumer. YOU don't set that Value. THEY do! Wishing and hoping doesn't pay the bills girl.
Your NEEDS and WANTS is not a mortgage on THEIR money. Your whining is not a leverage on their good graces.
I just placed a large Naboo house last weekend. I Bought it with MY money. I EARNED that money by WORKING. Try it sometime.
FD has it nailed. She's making above average tips though... You should be getting somewhere in the 1-2k range each day if you are in a busy cantina. Smaller cantinas like where she is are different on every server but usually better income areas than the over crowded cantinas. My typical day I get anywhere from 2-15k in two hours of attended, attentive dancing without doing lapdances or any other tasteless XXX entertainment.
BigGuy counts on his fingers and toes ... BigGuy decides to visit Kerren.
BigGuy
Keren Cantina on Bria is empty mostly.
Well, about tips, I do my best to entertaine people, speak with them and joke,I don't do dirty dance or stuff like that...guess what.. my best tips was like 150 credits and when I end my dancing day with 200credits as tips lol..I'm happy ! So I do destroy missions but those are pretty hard for me :/
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I think that one thing to consider is whether or not someone is a constant non-tipper. I have no issue with people who cannot afford to tip, or tip very little - they are at least indicating that they realize they are receiving a service, and as such, I appreciate that.
There will be times when someone cannot tip because they are in a rough spot, and I treat them no differently than any customer who tips generously.
That being said, I do have issue with those who come in completely torn up and demand help, certain dances or songs, etc. and consistantly tip nothing. Does that meanI don't dance? No, because with current game mechanics, I can't block a single person, so that hurts everyone. (the only time I sit out is for abusive customers 
As far as tips, I'm like several others here in that I don't have problems making money. I am also in Keren, and while it's similar on other servers as it is on mine, from what's been said, the small cantinas allow for more personal contact and relationship establishment, so people are more likely to tip larger amounts because they are also friends. I've often had customers tip over 2 and 3k when they are having a particularly nice string of luck 
If you are not making enough to support yourself, consider ways to improve it besides complaints, though. Change dance style, or the way you 'work the room'. Move to a smaller (or larger) cantina and see what changes. Personally, I have always done better for tips in smaller, less crowded cantinas, because many customers appreciate the personal attention.
Personal attention. Relationships. THAT's what entertaining is. As far as the Dance style I haven't found any difference in tips related to the dance style I use from the list. As long as it is pleasant looking that's enough. I prolly use Popular more often than anything though I occasionally use The Robot Dance with a staff or something like that just for fun and if it fits into the conversation. And on a couple of rare occasions Formal. Other than that I've never had anyone comment on the Style of dance I'm doing.
Cause it really doesn't seem to matter. I DO change outfits often to keep any one set from getting stale. They're not Dance Critics. They're guys (and girls) who want to see a pretty girl dance while they heal BF. IF you can hold them their a little longer after they're healed by keeping their attention then so much the better. That gives you time to get to know them.
As far as the ones who just run in, sit a minute and run out, I do two things. If I notice one doing that repeatedly, I engage him. I talk TO him, ABOUT him, Ask others about him while he's in the room. I can USUALLY draw them into conversation. Once I do I HAVE established personaly contact and that breaks the ice. If that doesn't work I don't worry about it. There'll ALWAYS be some like that.
If someone CAN'T tip, I don't worry about it. I've even on occasion tipped some of my customers who were in need at the moment. Or I retunr a tip when I know someone can't afford it and tell them to NOT do that now but to remember me when they're in better shape financially. I treat them as any Friend would. Most days I don't even bother to look at my tips unless I happen to be changing outfits and happen to glance at it. I treat someone who give me 1CR the same as someone who gives me several thousand. For some people 1cr is a higher percentage of their Net Worth than the thousands from someone really flush.
And that's the key. They ARE my friends and I treat them as such. I don't think in an US vs THEM way, but as WE.
I do make good money and Keren is not that busy. My purpose is not to brag but to point out that if I can do that in Keren then anyone can do it anywhere.
One other useful thing is to use your position as a Dancer to provide information. Sort of a Networker. Keep track of people HIGH ic certain skills. Write it down. Then if someone is looking for a tailor or architect or weaponsmith YOU can tell them who to see. Or tell a certain artisan to get in touch with so and so cause they're looking for product X. Or Hi hon could you train so and so in THIS? Or Hey So and So has that skill, see if she is around town. After a while people will come to YOU to link up with others.
Once again Value for Value. Orivide a Service for which there is a demand.
If things are REALLY slow, run to the med center and entertain the folks healing there. Can't heal BF there. Won't get many tips but they'll remember that you TOOk the effort to come keep them sitting bored in the Med Center. That you cared enought to bother.
If people don't Notice you, then MAKE em notice you. If they ignore you, MAKE them see you. Don't accept being ignored. I don't!
FlawedDiamond wrote:
One other useful thing is to use your position as a Dancer to provide information. Sort of a Networker. Keep track of people HIGH ic certain skills. Write it down. Then if someone is looking for a tailor or architect or weaponsmith YOU can tell them who to see. Or tell a certain artisan to get in touch with so and so cause they're looking for product X. Or Hi hon could you train so and so in THIS? Or Hey So and So has that skill, see if she is around town. After a while people will come to YOU to link up with others.
This is SO important, in my opinion! I can't count the number of times I've been tipped for providing information, linking people together who are in need of eachothers services, or at the very least (which is just as critical) been able to start a relationship with someone! I try to provide tips to people about good tailors or architects, share good people to contact for various deals, etc
Relationship is definitely a good portion of what I do, and is just as important as timing my flourishes, or making a tech synch at just the right spot in my move - if not more.
When the environment in a Cantina is truly one of friendship and commeraderie, between the customers (as much as is possible) and the entertainers, everyone is happier. To that end, I try to welcome everyone that comes through the door (preferably with something personal, rather than the same thing again and again). I try to engage people in conversation if they are really beat up. I try to remember what someone told me about the last time they were in, so that I can ask about it again - to show that they are not just another face in the crowd. Also, for whatever it's worth, I tend to play if there are no musicians, rather than dancing without music, or having all dancers without it. The customers seem to enjoy and appreciate it, and it lends to the atmosphere, at least in my opinion 
I'll sometimes have a customer specifically ask me to dance, because they know I heal them faster that way, and I'm more than happy to comply.
Tipping is a gift. It is a gift from a customer to tell me thank you, because I serviced them well. If I get a great tip, or a present, or a thank you, that's wonderful. If I don't, such is the life of an entertainer - I am there first and foremost because I love dancing and socializing, and if tips are the only focus, what's the point?
I'm trying to stay objective about this, but I fail to see why, if someone comes in and is "abusive" and is always a lousy customer and demands things and then leaves without tipping why , if it really bothers you that much, you couldn't just /addignore them, and be done with it? Isn't it a little whiny and petty to stop dancing whenever they come in, or to beg for a command to not heal whomever you choose? It seems like some people are just looking for excuses to essentially have the power to force others to tip, instead of figuring out why some people are making 10k+ a night and others are not.
If a dancer takes his profession serious, she / he has not to do missions.
I only do some distroy missions to relax after the much more exertive (hope this was the correct word) dancing and interacting with the audience.
The uberl33t are not my audience, for them I am a needful evil or even a pain, I don't expect a tip from them.
Who would tip a dentist?
I dance for all the Peopel who come in and tell me happily that they get their Mastermarksman, or that I can call them now "Sarg". The grumpy Wookie who was beaten the 4th time in an hour i can animate again, the people who comes without wounds in the cantina only to watch me or get a talk and the guy who came fom naboo to Tartooine only to let taste me his newest drink ...
That are the people I dance for. So why should I ever deny a service to them becauseof the people that don't want to see me, and I don't care about?
Also I am a healer, and I take this serious too. So I heal all who need healing in BF and mind. I am not the kind of person who want to force other the playstile of me. I heal them, that they can have again their fun and don't care if they think I am a stupid cantina hopper.
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Aniella (Gorath)
Hey honestly, sometimes I just can't afford to tip. I am afairly highmarksman working on the scout tree so I can get novice bounty hunter. I make my living with delivery missions. Why you ask? Well the party you have to amass for destroy missions divides the wealth so much its not even worth it. Just straight hunting is better than destroy missions for exp in the marksman tree. And that doesn't make money. My job is not too lucrative right now, until I can solo destroy missions or start bounty hunting I am running delivery missions to break even.
And you see I know weaponsmiths and armorsmiths who make my gear, for a price. If I want the best gear so I can be at peak performance I have to run hours of delivery missions carting myself around. I have great gear of course and I fight fairly well but it costs money, money that I have to divert time from my exping to collect.
I dont have spare cash that I can afford to tip well with, most of the time I am broke. I have the 3rd step across the board in the marksman tree and I have the 2nd step across the board for scout, I wear a full suit of udderly expensive armor and I sport an insanely expensive 175max laser carbine that was personally made for me. That stuff costs brother.
I spend alot of my time with less than 100 credits in the bank, so when I am nearly incapped by that headshot happy rifleman and I am loaded down with battle fatigue and I step into the cantina and sit down and cant afford to tip more than 50, dont call me a stingy **edit**. Dont call me a miser for being broke. All I am asking is for you to wait. Once I can solo destroy missions or better yet do big bucks bounty hunter missions I promise I will tip great.
But in the meantime sit tight, I tip what I can when I can, and I promise I dont forget people. When I am an insane trail blazing bounty hunter with a fat bankroll and surplus income I can afford to spend without crippling myself gear wise I will remember that time you healed my mind all the way and didn't give me greif about not tipping.
Hijime Saitoh, human Marksman/Scout on Vacyn, based in bestine.
/RRN
I have gone nights where I maybe would get 100 credits total in tip to just the other night I made 3500 credits in shorter time and it was quite slow that night. Just real good tippers...That was also one of the nights I chatted the most with those who came to the cantina on coronet.
That same slow night someone came in and after a little time asked if I could spare 100 credits to him for a shuttle trip I belive it was. I had just spent 5k on novice dancer and had just started dancing for the evening so I was broke. Normaly I would probably loan it out. So I basically told him I was broke and trying to save up. He smiled and understood .He stayed a little while longer watching the dance and before he left he gave me a tip of 5 credits. That coming from someone whodidnt have enough for a ticket was one of the best tips I ever got. A day or so later I was heading to the hotel and the same person called out to me asking where I was headed for he said he wanted to tip me something decent. So I stopped to talk for him a bit and he gave me 50 credits. That was completely unexpected and quite kind of him. Not the highest tip I ever got but sometimes the meaning means more than the amount. I will surely remember him right up with the several who have given me 1000 cred tips.
As have been said you'd be surprised at that just talking to people will get you more tips. Or even a smile or hello, some sort of recognition that you are alive and see them come into the cantina/hotel.
Yes I dance to try to get tips and make money but Imainly dance for the enjoyment and knowing that my dancing will heal. The medics that in turn heal the dancers are tipping right there.
On occassion I do delivery missions to make money as much as I'd just like to stay dancing. When those missions take me to another city I see it as a chance to stop at another cantina and dance and perhaps meet some new people. I've tried doing dancing gigs from the nobles but there seems to be a bug because i get to the waypoint and no one is ever there *sigh*
As silly as it might seem some people dont know how to tip and dont even bother asking how.