Dancer Archive
Thread: Maybe I am naive...
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Mawie
Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:13 am
#1
Small question...
What do you guys expect to have to pay for dancing mind enhancement tapes? I have gotten them for anywhere for 1k per point (on +1s), all the way up to 200k per point (for a +3). I put up a post inmy server's trade forums about wanting to buy a +5, and people are telling me to expect to pay 2mil per point. Isn't that a bit high? The profession depends on the courtesy of other people to tip us, which most people don't... and then they charge entertainers millions of credits for something?
And then this leads to me wonder why the exquisite dancer's leotards only go for 200k, when they are +5 to dancing mind enhancement. How does any of this make sense???
FuschiaD
Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:36 am
#2
Mawie wrote:
Small question...
What do you guys expect to have to pay for dancing mind enhancement tapes? I have gotten them for anywhere for 1k per point (on +1s), all the way up to 200k per point (for a +3). I put up a post inmy server's trade forums about wanting to buy a +5, and people are telling me to expect to pay 2mil per point. Isn't that a bit high? The profession depends on the courtesy of other people to tip us, which most people don't... and then they charge entertainers millions of credits for something?
And then this leads to me wonder why the exquisite dancer's leotards only go for 200k, when they are +5 to dancing mind enhancement. How does any of this make sense???
Well, the biggest reason leotards are less than skill tapes is because skill tapes can be used anywhere, whereas those leotards take up two slots (top and bottom). Gives the dancer less room to work with upping their enhancement.
And the plain and simple truth is that most mind enhancement skill tapes get bought by buffbots with tons of credits on their main. They can afford it, whereas most true entertainers cannot.
Mawie
Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:01 am
#3
FuschiaD wrote:
And the plain and simple truth is that most mind enhancement skill tapes get bought by buffbots with tons of credits on their main. They can afford it, whereas most true entertainers cannot.
Yeah. That pisses me off.
Esharra
Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:12 am
#4
A couple of players whom I buff regularly recently gave me a total of +20 in musical mind enhancement items. I know a couple of the items had been found but one that is a +5 cost 5mil in a forum auction. This is totally outside of anything any of us could ever afford! I do adore these guys and I'm very grateful that they are so supportive..they get buffs for life 
Mawie
Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:32 am
#5
Well, I was thinking about it... even with the leotard, I can still wear shoes, a hat, and gloves. I already wear the leotard with +3 boots. If looking goofy means giving better buffs, then I don't care. I'll strap on a warm hat, link steel reinforced gloves, standard boots, and the exq dancer's leotrad and look silly with pride. 
SheIsYa
Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:32 am
#6
I'd have to agree. People do ask some really outrageous prices for things from those of us who can't afford it. I'm a master tailor as well, and I'm working on getting that business going really good so that I can use it to support my dancing career. I'm not a bot so I'm not rich. And I am looking for +5 or better if there are any, attachments. And the one that brings it to me and is kind enough to tip it to me will get buffs for life and as much of a monentary thank you as I can afford. I will forever be in their debt.
Toodles,
Y'a
Cytherea
Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:20 am
#7
On Bloodfin, I saw a +25 dancing SEA go for about 7mil. That was a few months ago, though. I think I paid 300k for my +3. I haven't really seen many more tapes up for auction. I've mostly seen enhancements in Tusken clothing... no use to me.
FuschiaD
Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:56 am
#8
Ava is fortunate. She has awell-off fiance who loves her to pieces. 
He's the reason my dance buffs are up to 111. He traded with a guy selling a +8, gave him a krayt flamethrower in exchange.
He's the reason my dance buffs are up to 111. He traded with a guy selling a +8, gave him a krayt flamethrower in exchange.
psikobunny
Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:39 pm
#9
Prices have been climbing also because of the spawn rate problems in POI caves.
Mawie
Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:48 pm
#10
psikobunny wrote:
Prices have been climbing also because of the spawn rate problems in POI caves.
FORTUNATLY that was fixed with the last patch.
Last night I went hunting to see if I could loot any useful CAs to me... all I ended up with was 3 holocrons, a necklace, a locked container, and 11k. 3 holos in one trip is awesome, but completely useless to me.
PoetDancer
Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:16 pm
#11
There is a buffbot on my server has no fashion sense. Bandolier, belts, mismatched shirts and hats. No dancer in her right mind would look so gauche, but who ever said dancers, patrons, and buffbots are in their right minds? Because if the truth be known that SEAs do not make live dancers more appealing, make buffbots less appealing, or make dancers who don't have these things any less tippable, I'm sure the prices for them would quickly plummit.
Now do we want SEAs? Or do our patrons want SEAs? And if our patrons want SEAs,does it meanthey are willing to tip a dancer more for having them? Or not tip a dancer at all for not having them? Or tip and use you to the exclusion of another because of them? I think not. In fact, I would argue that if you are going into the cantina with the understanding that promulgating your skilltape collection will get you more respect and tips, I fear that you may find the opposite is true. Concentrating on the efficiency and prowress of your buff gets you out of the mindset you need to have if you are to have any chance against the buffbots. Because its the same attitude buffbots have as well, which means a buffbot can do what you do far better than you can.
For me, buying these things is my last consideration. I may buy them when they are available, and for a decent price. Because in my experience,theenhancement functions do not have much bearing on my income and livelihood. Kind of defeats the purpose of what I do if I am limited in what I can wear.
Because in my experience, the most important thing a dancer can do to earn a living in the cantina is to vigorously pursue a polished piece of creative work, be it in improvisational chat,and with the visual tools we have. A skilltape will not makeme a better performer, but a skilltape will make a better buffbot. Its the only thing that will make a buffbot better.
Now I do agree that a lot want to be more functional. But if one believes that an increase in function will lead to a greater reward, I need only point to your galaxy trade boards and examine how much orange rugs and nabease sculptures are being sold for these days. They are useless and non functional, but they are pursued.
Which is how I play the game. I won't go into the cantina with the hope of giving buffs, be they bad or good. I'll do it when asked, but I won't base the sunum bonum of my purpose there on being able to buff at high percentages. Shouting to interested parties that I buff at 113%? Why burden my patrons with such needless information? Because I know that even ifthe patron gets a buff from the girl or buffbot next to me who buffs at 125%, it in no way determines how much or how little I can get out of the patron.
I personally feel that we who play these professions need to get ourselves out of the mindset that buffbots have given to us. And this attitude is what is displayed in this thread: our purpose and economic place in the game is derrived soley from the mechanics we give. Its why many live players and buffbots worry so much about SEAs and that darn pantsuit they have the audacity to call a leotard (you can tell I think I look horrible in it). But if you look at the truth of the matter, there is no rule that says a player cannot tip a dancer they do not /watch, just as there is no rule that a player is obligated to tip a dancer they do /watch. This fact isn't something that is bad.In fact, thisis a good thing, and a practice the game should encourage, not discourage.
. But if you look at the truth of the matter, there is no rule that says a player cannot tip a dancer they do not /watch, just as there is no rule that a player is obligated to tip a dancer they do /watch. This fact isn't something that is bad.In fact, thisis a good thing, and a practice the game should encourage, not discourage.Because the system in place now still leaves open the possibility for an entertainer who puts forward a good effort to get rewarded for the amusement, even if the amusement in question does not lend itself to a /watch. But if players get into a mindset that the only thing they tip is the mechanical function, then you'll find yourself in a position where nothing you can do will ever garner you more credits than the dancer with the 125% buff--live or buffbot status notwithstanding.
So am Iconcerned about losingmy job to the girl with the 125% clothes? I have never had 125% clothes, and I get by. I have a +5% pantsuit, but I think it looks dreadful. Its what everyone else is doing, and how can I stand out amongst the crowd if I do what everyone else is doing?
Message Edited by PoetDancer on 10-25-2004 05:06 PM
Eikmms
Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:53 pm
#12
If it's any consolation I always give my skill tapes to "Live"entertainers when I find them
Einhinder
Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:24 am
#13
Cytherea wrote:
On Bloodfin, I saw a +25 dancing SEA go for about 7mil. That was a few months ago, though. I think I paid 300k for my +3. I haven't really seen many more tapes up for auction. I've mostly seen enhancements in Tusken clothing... no use to me.
thats cheap a +25 on my server went for 13 million
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