Dancer Archive
Thread: Not Needed for PvE?
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CloverRidge
Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:25 pm
#1
Yep. Basically it's the samething Dancers do with their quickness so their action doesn't drop. For the most part the only importance in PvE for the mind is to get your Focus high enough that you zero out the HAM cost of specials.
It's also why Docs aren't really needed in most hunting parties once they buff people. Most PvE poisons pose little to no threat since the secondaries can offset the poisons. Diseases are far less prevelant than poisons so much more easily avoided even on a planet like Endor.
I think the only time I use my rezzpacks anymore are when someone wants rebuffed and their other buffs are stronger than mine. It's not because I'm that good at keeping people alive that I hunt with there just isn't much need for it.
Seems to me the game lacks a middle ground and ends up in two cases where either the mobs can't really touch the buffs or they get pounded like a mofo by Super Battle Droids.
Schardour
Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:19 am
#2
Today I watched several players leave the Dathomir Science Outpost without mind buffs. While I sat in their group, dancing in the cantina, system messages continuously rolled across my screen. These generally involved the amount of Enraged Rancor meat harvested by the player, the type of DoT weapon found on the NightSister body, or some similar loot message.
Most high-end content in this game can be soloed. Often these targets can be soloed without mind buffs. A couple sips of Vasarian and a stomach filled with Ahrisa provide more of a buff than many Dancers do, albeit much shorter in duration. (Good timing can result in a triple-stacked Vasarian for a good length of time.) Add an FS quest-rewarded buff crystal, and some playerswould neverneed to enter a cantina in the five hours they spend on a forward planet.
This means that our primary customer is the PvPer. The PvE-centered player will use an entertainer if it's cheap (read "free." a good majority of PvE players are using missions to make money, not spend it)and immediately available, but won't go out of their way to look for one. PvPers feel they need the mind buff to function in player-controlled combat (not always true, but buffs certainly provide an advantage). PvP occurs in player cities and popular NPC cities such as Theed and Coronet.
Why can't an entertainer make money on a forward planet?
The PvE focused player only needs to return to the outpost when their Doctor buffs have been depleted. If there's no doctor available in the Outpost (which is usually the case in locations other than the Dant MO), the PvE player will move to Theed or Coronet to re-buff, exposing themselves to the lively entertainer communities there, or be re-buffed in the wild, forgetting completely about the need for a mind buff.
PvP players tend to work out of their city (most often containing a buffbot), or in a major city (generally ripe with bots and live entertainers.) These types of players rarely enter the realm of the forward-outpost entertainer for any reason other than catching the shuttle as quickly as possible.
At least....that's how I'm justifying the fact that I've spent 10K on shuttle tickets today and haven't buffed a single player in these outposts...
Aleyo
Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:07 am
#3
It depends a lot on race, profession, and what they're fighting.
My human swordsman has hardly needed any kind of mind buffs while grinding, not even from brandy or other forms of increasing the mind. Migrating the focus and willpower to 1100 makes me able to spam my attacks plenty without a problem.
On the other hand, my zabrak TKM has to take timeouts even while double-brandied, and his focus/willpower are maxxed. TKM attacks take tons of mind, and I can't hit the 1100 humans can.
Either one of them, however, needs to have more than simple brandy to go up against the higher level nightsisters (and I actually have found a few where it's a challenging, but not impossible, fight, like, say, SBDs).
Anyways, there *is* a lot of variation, and there are some PvE'ers that could use mind buffs, but certainly not huge amounts, and certainly not as necessary as PvP.
My human swordsman has hardly needed any kind of mind buffs while grinding, not even from brandy or other forms of increasing the mind. Migrating the focus and willpower to 1100 makes me able to spam my attacks plenty without a problem.
On the other hand, my zabrak TKM has to take timeouts even while double-brandied, and his focus/willpower are maxxed. TKM attacks take tons of mind, and I can't hit the 1100 humans can.
Either one of them, however, needs to have more than simple brandy to go up against the higher level nightsisters (and I actually have found a few where it's a challenging, but not impossible, fight, like, say, SBDs).
Anyways, there *is* a lot of variation, and there are some PvE'ers that could use mind buffs, but certainly not huge amounts, and certainly not as necessary as PvP.
Rabenschwinge
Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:23 am
#4
Only the fewerst players can solo Nightsisters, since when you do, you sooner or later encounter a Nightsister elder. I have heard about players who can solo Nighsisters elders, but I never saw one. I am master fencer, but I can only deal kinetic and stun damage, to which NS elders are immune. So I am completely helpless (even though master in a combat profession) against them. And most Nightsister hunt groups do have a master doc with them, because some will doubtlessly die.
Second. I don't go to Dathomir SO to buff people, but when I am there I have absolutely no problem finding someone willing to get a buff. If you have no customers in the cantina go out and talk to the people out, waiting for companions, and you will soon have the whole hunting parties in the cantina and buffing them. And you will make good money while doing so.
Most hunting parties don't come back while they are already infields. If you are really interested in combat healing you should pick up novice scout to set up camps and travel with them. You won't be able to heal bf, true. But you are in the middle of action, exactly where a dancer is needed.
*wink*
Sharven
Second. I don't go to Dathomir SO to buff people, but when I am there I have absolutely no problem finding someone willing to get a buff. If you have no customers in the cantina go out and talk to the people out, waiting for companions, and you will soon have the whole hunting parties in the cantina and buffing them. And you will make good money while doing so.
Most hunting parties don't come back while they are already infields. If you are really interested in combat healing you should pick up novice scout to set up camps and travel with them. You won't be able to heal bf, true. But you are in the middle of action, exactly where a dancer is needed.
*wink*
Sharven
Message Edited by Rabenschwinge on 10-26-2004 12:25 PM
Mr_pepsi
Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:48 pm
#5
Rabenschwinge wrote:
Only the fewerst players can solo Nightsisters, since when you do, you sooner or later encounter a Nightsister elder. I have heard about players who can solo Nighsisters elders, but I never saw one. I am master fencer, but I can only deal kinetic and stun damage, to which NS elders are immune. So I am completely helpless (even though master in a combat profession) against them. And most Nightsister hunt groups do have a master doc with them, because some will doubtlessly die.
Second. I don't go to Dathomir SO to buff people, but when I am there I have absolutely no problem finding someone willing to get a buff. If you have no customers in the cantina go out and talk to the people out, waiting for companions, and you will soon have the whole hunting parties in the cantina and buffing them. And you will make good money while doing so.
Most hunting parties don't come back while they are already infields. If you are really interested in combat healing you should pick up novice scout to set up camps and travel with them. You won't be able to heal bf, true. But you are in the middle of action, exactly where a dancer is needed.
*wink*
Sharven
Message Edited by Rabenschwinge on 10-26-2004 12:25 PM
Well now ya have met one who has solo'd 2 elders (before they got their powers back), canyon krayts (take about an hr to kill one, without using a cm or another person to help ya),oh and it was all as a master swordsman (2 times over, fun profession, alsomost everyhting in this game doesn't havegood blast protection). Now generally I would search for musician buffs after getting my doc buffs, to save on brandy and ahrisa, if I couldn't find any (small server), I would head out for my NS hunting, why because of 5k xp or near it, plus the loot they droped, credits are nice to get from them as well
. Yes it would have been nice to have a dancer or musican out with me, but unless they don't have some combat with them, they would die fast, and it's hard to work on killing abunch of NS'swhile trying to protect others in the process from getting killed, especially when your out and about near the NS stronghold (not often you can find a save place to rest around their).
. Yes it would have been nice to have a dancer or musican out with me, but unless they don't have some combat with them, they would die fast, and it's hard to work on killing abunch of NS'swhile trying to protect others in the process from getting killed, especially when your out and about near the NS stronghold (not often you can find a save place to rest around their).
true_Kieran
Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:31 pm
#6
CloverRidge wrote:
Seems to me the game lacks a middle ground and ends up in two cases where either the mobs can't really touch the buffs or they get pounded like a mofo by Super Battle Droids.
I think in PvE exactly this is one of the main problems. Of course the difficulty changes from profession to profession, for example with just Pistoleer I had a lot of problems when I encountered several night sisters, after a few seconds they were all around me and beat the crap out of me, fan shot didn't kill them fast enough. With TKM on the other hand I spamed unarmed spin attack 2 and few moments later looted a lot of corpses. All this was before they got their force back, haven't played much since then and not fought them since then again.
But every time I entered a PvE fight I knew either it will be no problem or I'm lost, there seems to be nothing in between.
Tarkane
Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:32 pm
#7
here is another person to solo a NS elder... and proud of it. master pikemen. (that explains alot) also soloed GDK and etc. as for the ehaling well they come into heal their BF and leave why bother tipping as for talking they are too busy grinding to stop. buffs.. well they would rahter hit the bots then the live entertainer.
been to the outpost on darth the bots drove me out. and i can buff at 108% primary mind. ( love skill tapes) some stop watcing too ealy and then they say how bad you are for nto giving them the full 2 hrs( P.S. the 108 also works on length of time for the buff) but they dont care they dont have to tip a bot.
and most know dancers are poor but your lucky if someone tips you 2K let alone 5K for a buff. cant get more then that becuase of why.. you guesed it the bots.
until the recursive macro is gone the bots will be there. anyways enough form me for now.. its my two cents.
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