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Thread: What was that? Entertainer exotic dance flourishes are now all unique. ?
Esharra wrote:
Shaizann wrote:
Esharra wrote:
There is a part of me who wishes they had replaced the jiggle with the old exotic fall. The only time I use the Exotic dance is when roleplaying drunk and I'd love to have that fall as a call-able flourish for those times.
I think we should ask for this instead of the dreaded oft lamented 'jiggle'. And, yeah, I'm dissappointed we did not get what it sounded like in the notes at first glance. Goodness knows it's been asked for often enough.
If people would like for me to ask that the jiggle be replaced with the fall, I will. I don't know if they would go for it (& I believe that Deila may have stated that they said they wouldn't bring the fallsback as call-able flos) but it wouldn't hurt anything to ask.I kept my expectations consistent with the other dances; that we would have 4 dances with different bases and the same flourishes. So I'm not in the least disappointed (though I certainly wouldn't have turned up my nose at more new flourishes!). After having thought about it for a while now and spokenwith a couple of the guys I dance regularly with, I'm really looking forward to seeing what we can do with this.
Maybe JUST for exotic1... Exotic1 being soooo good for that drunken act having a callable fall withint that for RP makes sense...
I'm quite happy with what we have on the other exotic's... Ok they're all the same but as someone said means you can mix the base dances within a routine. Something different to other dances.
If you have a fall integrated into the exotic dance(s) as a full-blown flourish, you'll see entertainers afk-grinding the same fall flo on a macro in the cantinas until they hit Master. (I'm sure it's nearly impossible to make a single flourish grant 0xp.)
Message Edited by Etdentarie on 07-18-2005 12:25 AM
Flourish (from rememberance):
new: old:
1 exotic 1/2, flourish 1
2 exotic 1/2, flourish 2/3; exotic 3, flourish32
3 exotic 3, flourish 1
4 exotic 3, flourish 3
5 exotic 4, flourish 1
6 exotic 4, flourish 2/3
7 new (see below)
8 exotic 1-4, flourish 5-8
Flourish 7: This flourish starts and ends in a stickman position, thus very far from the most base position. However, the flourishe itsself is smooth and sexy as any exotic flourish. Having only exotic and exotic2 I found it was looking far better ending the flourish whith exotic. In fact this flourish is usuable to switch from exotic2 to exotic.
Since not all flourishes work with all base dances now (flourish 3 and 4 will work with exotic2 and exotic3, but now as well with exotic and exotic4) one must be very aware which dance you are actually using and switch it very often. And you must use exotic (the drunken dance), since it is the only dance with both arms up and down. Thus it is more flexible in using flourishes than the other exotics.
Even though this is not quite what I hoped for it is in improvement imho. One can make dance relatively long without mindless repetitions now, though it still might be helpful to try and mix other dances in. Flourish 8 does fit less than ever before now, imho.
Message Edited by Rabenschwinge on 07-18-2005 08:48 AM
Message Edited by Rabenschwinge on 07-18-2005 10:49 AM
Esharra wrote:Do we want to ask if some of the flourishes can be re-ordered within the dances so that we can mix bits of flourishes again? If we were to ask for that, I would think the following might work.
Exotic1 = 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Exotic2 = 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Exotic3 = 3,4,7,5,6,1,2,8
Exotic4 = 5,6,1,2,7,3,4,8
I don't quite understand... what was the advantage of that?
... :thinks
You actually want to interrupt a flourish in the middle of it? So that, if you are doing flourish 3 from exotic4 and /changed exotic3 you interrupt flourish 3 (the old exotic1/2 flourish 1) and continue with flourish 3 from exotic4 (the new flourish)...
This is hmm... a strange technique. If it is that what you mean I prefer as it is now, but I could live with it anyway.
PS: Panthu compiled info about choreografie tools? Don't know anything about this, but I spend whole sunday afternoons thinking and drafting about tools to simplyfy choreography for bands... Could you point us to it?
Message Edited by Rabenschwinge on 07-18-2005 12:27 PM
Until we have real customization tools though, it does open up some options for us. Sultrina's guide in the FAQ explains it really well and Goldy's dance card helps with learning timing. 
Maybe you all can give me some feedback on this. The one thing about the new arrangement is that we are no longer able to utilize /changedance halfway through one flourish to blend it with the beginning of the corresponding flourish in the second dance called when dancing the Exotics (because the flourishes are in the same position in the dances). This cuts a little into some of our creativity. AsSharven stated, the upside is that we can transition from one basedance to another using the flourishes without a visible transition. Do we want to ask if some of the flourishes can be re-ordered within the dances so that we can mix bits of flourishes again? If we were to ask for that, I would think the following might work.
Exotic1 = 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Exotic2 = 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Exotic3 = 3,4,7,5,6,1,2,8
Exotic4 = 5,6,1,2,7,3,4,8
Also, unless anyone strongly objects and feels it needs more discussion, I think I'll ask about the falls and alsoremind them ofsome ideas that Panthu has compiled regarding flourishes and choreography tools.
Another thing I can ask for is that the first &/or last bit of flourish 7 be cut. This would eliminate the "stick figure" part. That part is really a good transition from Lyrical but it is rough as part of the Exotics.
I can't promise that they'd agree to any of these things but heh..if they want us to focus on performance, we might as well.
ok I still don't understand the change dance/flourish thing... if it were a Macro how would it be written. (one of those dancers who is not AFK but likes to type when dancing)
I've never seen this done before and would really like to add it to my routine. You mean to say that you can change ie. pretty much stop the jerky motions from base dance to flourishs... where the heck have I been? 
It's nearly impossible to macro it. Timing changes with different locations, and different levels of client-side lag or server-side lag. You have to "eye" it to make a beautiful transition. Timing it won't work, so macros are out of the question.
It's one of those perks to knowing your profession inside and out, and not letting a macro dictate your quality of performance.
You can try to macro it, you probably won't like the results though because it's so inconsistent. I wish it could be macroed so you could set up a chain of transitions on hotkeys, I know some dancers do this, I just know it drives me crazy because they usually don't hit right.
Sultrina's guide is really good, I think that's why no one ever re-explains it. And Goldy's card helps a ton till you just learn the transition positions by sight.
Honestly, I'm just so ready not to have to jump through these hoops any more! We really just need a real dev implemented system to do these things so we can concentrate on looking our best with out headaches over who sees what, and timing, and countdowns in team chat and all of the other goofy things we've been doing for the past two years! *pants*
Ok, no more caffeine for Pan - leads to mega run on sentences, hehe.