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And as I recall they'd already banned people for it by then.

They do not publish a list of exploits, nor should they.

Actually, I kind of think they should. Maybe not a list, per se. But, when they know something exists, one simple post stating "speedbuffing is an exploit" would suffice. They don't have to say how to do it, they just have to say it's an exploit. And, quite frankly, I think the risk of word getting out becaues the devs comment on something like this is kind of a joke. If it's being talked about on the boards like this is, just as many people are going to know whether or not the devs officially announce it hidden somewhere in a thread such as this one.

>I don't see how using ingame commands in a macro is an exploit.

The speedbuff macro uses ingame commands to circumwent limits set by the game. Breaking limits that were not intended to be passed is a bug. Using a bug for your own advantage is an exploit. Using non-ingame commands ( i.e. client side code injection or altering network traffic ) to cheat would probably be classified as a hack.

As Tiaga said, listing all forbidden exploits is impossible. Some aren't known, some aren't perceived that way. If something is not doable manually ( and speedbuffing just isn't ) and/or passing limits that were coded into the game fora reason, it's probably an exploit.

Ok, first off, I don't use the 30 second buff trick and never will. To me it's just not a professions way to do things.

Do I think it's an exploit? I can't make that decision, only the devs can. However, it is using game mechanics to give a benefit beyond what was intended.

DidFanshot in the Geo cave hurt anyone? Of course not! Everyone was getting massive experience and doing it fast so they wouldn't get hurt. Devs say it was an exploit. Was a Jedi sitting on a balchony using force powers to get XP hurting anybody? Well, yes, Bountyhunters couldn't get at them to collect their bounties. Devs say it's NOT an exploit. So really, it's a matter of opinion.

As for PvPers not wanting to wait for the full buff, I disagree. Last night there was a fierce PvP event on Lowca. 100 rebels storming an Imperial controlled city. I was there to buff people. They waited. They wanted the buff. No complaints, no one saying "C'mon, this is taking too long!".

Now, it may be different on other servers. Maybe the 30 second buff isn't as well known on my server as others. The important thing is you make the judgement for yourself and act appropriately. Like Tiaga said, this could come back and bite everyone in the butt. But then, the Devs could come and say there's nothing wrong with it. Would I then do it? I don't know, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it

what you do is charge 3 different ammounts for the different buff times...

the 30 second one being the most wanted and expensive.

4 min in the middle,

and the 10 minute one the cheapest and least desireable

Tiaga,

I didn't phrase things the way I would have liked to when I said the devs should publish a list of exploits. But, the rest of my post where I qualified what I meant was basically ignored.

I don't think there should be a list of exploits.

However, I DO think that when an issue is as visible as this one CLEARLY is, then the devs SHOULD make a statement regarding whether or not this is an exploit. Until then, as Kreistor pointed out, there are situations where I may have thought it was an exploit, but turns out it isn't, and vice versa. So, it's really not as clearcut as some people assume. I don't use the speedbuff macro. However, until the devs say it is an exploit, then I consider it not to be one. It's their call, and as the devs of a game, they need to make it.

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Tiaga wrote:
The people this hurts are the ones who like to actually entertain, but would like to make a little money buffing. Normally they could do that with no problem, as buffing is the same as performing. However, doing it in 30 seconds means you aren't performing at all. So now they are forced to choose between having fun and making money. And of course people will get pissed at them if they don't choose not to have fun.

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There are exploits they know about that aren't so common knowledge. And exploits that are somewhat known that they don't find out about right away. If they were to publish a list, it would provide people a place to look up what they can do. It's much easier to search when you know what you're looking for, and that list would give people the what. Without it, sure there will be some that won't be hard to find, but they won't all conveniently be in one place.

Besides, if they were to publish a list, then even more people would be of the belief of "If it's not on the list it's not an exploit". Such a list would need to be all inclusive as a result, and that's simply a lot of effort they should be putting towards fixing them. Not to mention that once they know about it they usually try to fix it anyway.

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Wamphyrri wrote:

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Tiaga wrote:
The people this hurts are the ones who like to actually entertain, but would like to make a little money buffing. Normally they could do that with no problem, as buffing is the same as performing. However, doing it in 30 seconds means you aren't performing at all. So now they are forced to choose between having fun and making money. And of course people will get pissed at them if they don't choose not to have fun.

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I see a fallacy here. The door swings both ways here. What about the customer. It seems to me if the customer wants to be entertained for 10 minutes that should be his option also if he wants a buff and move on that should be his option too. Don't force me to watch you for 10 minutes if the wife says I have to be off the comp in 30 minutes and I want to run one last mission.

It seems it should be customer driven not all about the entertainer. Besides do you really want to dance and converse with someone that just wants it quick and needs to move on? Take his money an entertain someone who really wants it. Its a better experience for you both..

Just a thought..

Edit: I guess that didn't sound to good.. I mean wants a quick buff... Kinda sounded like a one night stand....

Message Edited by Morath360 on 04-07-2004 02:05 PM

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Tiaga wrote:

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Acidic wrote:

Its not a exploit till the devs say it is, so use it freely till they do. And if they try to ban you for using it without saying it wasnt first then sue them

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Not true. I don't think I've ever seen a post from a dev saying "multi-slicing is an exploit", yet you can get your account banned for doing it. They will never publish a list of known exploits because many people don't even know they exist. If they publish a list people could find out about something they didn't know about, then go look up how to do it.

Fortunately there is a simple litmus test for something being an exploit. Just ask yourself, "Did the devs intend people to be able to do it this way?" Typically, if you have to ask, then yes it is an exploit.

I don't think anyone will be banned for this, but I wouldn't recommend using it.

Anyway, I've finally gotten the attention of the devs on this, so hopefully I'll have an official answer for those who have to be told "no" before they'll figure out they shouldn't be doing something.

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ok by that same logic

Did the devs intend vasarian brandy to almost completly put entertainers out of the moneymaking buisness?
well i mean honestly how many of you still get tips from non friends for just dancing anymore and if you do how often is it more than 50 credits or so. My average tip used to be 2k credits now since the holo grind its %0 credits. yes i do the 30 second macro since im almost always the only dancer in the room let alone master dancer it hurts no one. and it allows me to make some much needed credits i dont even know the number of times ive had people say to me when i didnt have a doc buff and couldt do the speed buff nvm i cant wait that long ill just take brandy.i dance in ah tavern and excluding my friends and people who ive known forever ig i get maybe maybe 5 tips in an entire day and im currently out of work on injusy so i log alot of hours ill go days without a single tip.