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Thread: One Front: A Survey for the Dancer Community

kirah_ashlin
Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:17 am
#14





Our strong desire is interaction. Either with other players or with our Dances. Devs can understand that request... they can design and code for game interaction, it's what they are all about! What it seems like they can not understand is how to make a playstyle work that is dependent on not interacting with the game. I think we should stop asking for safe guards against people ruining our way to not interact with the game.






Oh! Well said, Panthu! I couldn't agree more. Let's work on finding (viable) ways ofimproving our play - not just ways to stop others from ruining it.

Cillus
Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:57 am
#15

Bug: Hmmm....simultaneous Dancer/Musician buffs.


Issue: Buf bots

Everything to say has already been said,I have no sugestions on how to improve the situation that haven't already been sugested.

Now that Iceena'tak has retired from dancing (Due to Buffbots) I am the only registered, known Master Dancer on our server (Registered here). I'm having a hard time convincing others not to give up on the profession and am just getting attitude from the buffbots themselves (If I catch them at the keyboard.)

Today I logged out because the game made me so mad. And yes, I know it's just a game but the attitude of others still effects me.
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Kreistor
Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:58 am
#16

#1 Bug:


Let's take a cue from those that love buffbots, shall we? Why do they love them? "Because we can't find any Live entertainers!"


In my eyes, hands down the biggest problem is the Regitration system. This would help players FIND US, and not give them that excuse to play with.


#1 Issue:


I'll go beyond the typical 'buffbot' issue and expand it to ALL unattended play. The dancer and musician profs are just the easiest profs to unattend, but all forms of this (macro looting, Spam advertising, non-play combat grinding) should be stopped. We should all know what my solution to this is, so I won't repeat it here.





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AtheneNoctua
Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:11 am
#17

#1 bug: Registration System: since I'd prefer this important tool to be available the day the devs realize that unattentive gameplay (including all professions) actually hurts their bottom line (call it wishful thinking).

#1 issue: Unattentive Gameplay: Problem is, I don't really see a solution without SOE banning people using the loophole of the day (or a 3rd party tool). And I don't see them doing this as long as no fighters complain about it




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-I support ATK people and playstyles.
Soulburner69
Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:13 am
#18

i took this old post from the swordsman forum that StGabriel posted a few months ago, but i figure with some reworking and thought it could be modified into something we could use to have a numerical loook at what we as dancers want our profession to go towards or something. just a thought/suggestion .



i dont know how to clickify it, but here's the address for the original thread: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swordsman&message.id=18455&highlight=vision#M18455





-- Category #1: Offense/Defense --

Quite simply: how do you see the tradeoff between offense and defense for a swordsman.

Option #1: Offense
Option #2: Defense

-- Category #2: Specials --

Which of the following seem the most appealing for providing specialty offensive specials for swordsman. Try to pick only a couple as obviously Swordsmen cannot have everything, and allot your posts as you see fit. Unfortunately I cannot cover all possible types of specials so do feel free to put points into #6 and explain what makes sense to you.

Option #1: Bleeds/Wounds
Option #2: Delays (like warcry)
Option #3: Snares
Option #4: Knockdown
Option #5: AE attacks
Option #6: Intimidate
Option #7: Stun
Option #8: Blind
Option #9: Dizzy
Option #10: Other Affects (please explain)

This one is going to be tough and I don't even know if we'll get a meaningful result, but it's worth a try.

-- Category #3: Defensive Abilities --

Which of the following should be the most effective of Swordsman defensive abilities.

Option #1: Melee Defense
Option #2: Ranged Defense
Option #3: Counterattack
Option #4: Toughness
Option #5: Active Defensive Abilities

Option #5 refers to abilities like Center of Being.

-- Category #4: Weapons --

What should be the priority on Swordsman weapons:

Option #1: Damage
Option #2: Speed
Option #3: Armor piercing
Option #4: Accuracy
Option #5: Other (explain)

-- Category #5: Group Roles --

When you are in a group, what role do you think that you as a swordsman should fill:

Option #1: Tank
Option #2: Damage dealer
Option #3: Crowd Controller
Option #4: Utility
Option #5: Other (explain)

Utility refers to utilities such as loading a target full of status affects, healing members in the group, etc. Unfortunately there is a huge realm of possible roles here and I suspect that many will want to choose other -- that's fine.



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picklesSW
Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:15 am
#19

Wait, I'm changing my mind on the bug to the registration bug. I forgot about that one. We need to be able to register in player cantinas!




Schardour
Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:00 pm
#20

Simple answers. Simple!!!


I think the buffing systemwill win out as our issue. Bugs?




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Panthu
Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:04 pm
#21






Schardour wrote:

Simple answers. Simple!!!


I think the buffing systemwill win out as our issue. Bugs?



*sigh* Was that for me? See... I never get to really go off now that I'm a Corre.


If I get a bug vote, I say the Music/Dance Same Time Buff Bug.






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Schardour
Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:14 pm
#22

I loved the posts though!


/wookieehug



Thanks for the responses! Keep'em comin'




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Lesia
Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:36 pm
#23


Please hear me out, I'm truly not trying to be argumentative, but the issue of buff botshas been going around in circles just like our profession of dancing.


I have 3 accounts, my primary account is dancer/smuggler. My other accounts are artisan/tailor/merchant and doctor/novice CH. I haven't chosen dance as my primary profession only because I'm a RP player. I chose dance because Ido like to occasionallychat, but I also like to be helpful with buffs and healingand play with the movements other professions lack. Dance is a pretty profession and thankfully there's practicality too. If there was no practical reason to be a dancer (healing and buffs)then there would be no reason for interaction at all. The profession could easilybe replaced with vendors.


Buff vendors (and yes, they're vendors just like any merchant vendor) steal our practical reasons for choosing the profession and lessen any chance of interaction. No other profession (other than musicians)can be played AFK once they finish grinding. Because it's possible to create buff vendors, less people are choosing to play the profession and live dancers and musicians are more difficult to find. It's a catch 22. Maybe the devs might find that if there were no buff vendors that more people would actually choose to play the class.... even out of necessity for their cities or guilds.


If you take away the practicality of our entertaining profession you'll be left with a handful of diehards who will stay with the professions because they enjoy playing withthe movements of dance and the sounds of the music. We'll be left a very small, lonely group, who gets little respect from their fellow players. Many players now consider our choice silly, including the buff vendors. I'll remain a diehard because I don't care that others find my choice silly or stupid. But it would be lovely to return the practicality to our profession. Make those of us who want to play the game ATK useful again and less of a joke to the other players.


If you want to know why I have two other accounts, it's because our small city needed a tailor and doctor. Funny, but when I play those secondary accounts, I can't AFK.


I left EQ after playing for 4 years because I was tried of hack and slash for "uber l00tz". The dance profession is probably the furthest profession from that type of play and I think it's great! I hope it isn't killed.


/flourish




Schardour
Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:25 am
#24

Less than 24 hours left to get your vote in!




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Reachwind
Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:10 am
#25

Bug: Base lyrical/formal dances.

Issue: Lack of an interactive game play experience for a dancer.
Schardour
Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:35 am
#26

The broken Registration option is our bug of choice. I will open discussion on this shortly in another thread, so save it for the moment!


Our second option is to address the buffbot situation, but that's going to be an extremely long (and ongoing) process, imo. Let's launch this initiative by working first with the Registration bug.




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