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Thread: Something needs to be done about zombie leaders
I don't know why anyone would argue against this.
I'm not saying you shouldn't AFK. I don't myself, but I've never insisted anyone else live up to my standards.
I am saying that if you are a group leader, who plans to leave, or go AFK then don't keep the leadership, nor pass it to someone else who is AFK.
If someone else volunteers as group leader, then great. If not, then tell the group you are disbanding it, and do so. Sooner or later someone else will start inviting people, and all those AFKers with /join in their macros will join up and a new dynamic group will be on it's way.
Letting yourself become, or making someone else an AFK leader is rude. Simple as that.
And yes I know reforming the group is an option. However, it's not a very practicle one anymore since you generally leave 95% of the group behind to form a group of 1.
I know that human nature means that no matter what, there are always going to be AFK leaders, because most people don't even consider what happens when they leave.
So all I'm asking is that we be given a way to replace a leader who is no longer there. If the leader doesn't want to give up leadership then all they have to do is stay around and pay attention to the group.
Tiaga wrote:
From the words of the person who started this thread:
That seems to me to say pretty loud and clear the reason it isn't an option anymore is because of the AFK entertainers.
And yes I know reforming the group is an option. However, it's not a very practicle one anymore since you generally leave 95% of the group behind to form a group of 1.
I'm not just blaming everything on AFK entertainers.
What is says loud and clear is people would rather be in a group full of AFKers instead of a small group of ATKers so they get better XP.
You blame everything possible on AFKers. This is just further proof. AFKers don't make people choose to group with them over somebody else, they make their own choice, and you're just bitter that they're choosing AFKers over ATKers.I think it says a lot about entertainers in general when people would rather group with zombies than live bodies.
JasonK wrote:
You blame everything possible on AFKers. This is just further proof. AFKers don't make people choose to group with them over somebody else, they make their own choice, and you're just bitter that they're choosing AFKers over ATKers.I think it says a lot about entertainers in general when people would rather group with zombies than live bodies.
It's true. My Borvo quest is bugged, and I can't continue. First words out of my mouth were, "Damned AFKers messing up my missions."
The people who would rather group with zombies than live bodies are basically zombies or non-RPers anyway, so no big loss. Hopefully a real entertainer shows up.
I think the real problem here is that (dare I say?) "real" entertainers have left the cantinas. Back when Coronet at peak hours was comprised of one 16 person group of entertainers, things were a lot different. There was a large atmosphere of comraderie and entertainers helped each other, even sharing the costs of training or giving clothes/credits to newer entertainers. They've mostly left for the player town they call home.
I've always called Corellia, specifically Coronet my home. I still spend a lot of time there now, and all I see is a sea of blue names I can't read because they're so packed together, and around a half-dozen entertainers you can actually interract with more than 50% of the time they're there. On a good day I can spend at most 4 hours in Coronet before I have to get out of that atmosphere and go visit player cantinas to "center" myself again.
Cantinas were, and can be great again. However the ability to entirely automate the entertainer professions without any user input is what has caused the current malady. Some ways to fix this? Maybe increase Healing xp/reduce Healing xp requirements, get rid of holos! (this can't happen soon enough), remove the macro commands that activate toolbar buttons (this would hurt costume changes 
)/calling other macros inside a macro, and maybe change how the server determines when someone is afk and to drop them. The macro system is superb here, but it's strengths have led to far too much abuse of it.
I have a vice here in that Image Design cannot be done afk no matter what you try (I'm talking real IDing and not grinding.) Reputation and word of mouth is a big thing for Image Designers and it should be similar for Entertainers.
Message Edited by Nevs on 02-27-2004 01:26 PM
Guys why do you all insist on playing the Blame game. Clearly AFK leaders are a problem and it would be nice to have a way to get around them without going through the long arduous and sometimes very frustrating job of starting up a new group.
Blaming AFKers while satisfying, isn't going to solve anything.
Do you like my idea or not?
Give each group member a /prod ability that they can use once every 10 - 15 minutes. If the leader is clearly not responding. A group member can /prod the leader and if he fails to respond in say 2 minutes, leadership of the group passes to the /prodder. The /prod could be restricted like an /invite is. ie if they have already been subjected to a prod, they cannot be prodded furthur until they respond, or lose leadership (and can no-longer be prodded anyway).
The only real problem I could foresee with this would open up a way to "steal" group leader. Now, I don't know why a person would want to do that, but.. /shrug. What if a leader told his group he would be gone for a couple minutes while he made ramen or something and someone decided that they wanted to be leader instead? Again, I don't know especially why someone would want to do that, and gods know it would be useful when your group leader goes zombie on you.. But sometimes people are just mean 
Ok, true story....
Ok, I like the idea for the /prod. However what I also see is no incentive to be a leader other than to be the one who invites the members. Plain and simple, no one likes to lead and its almost impossible to hand it off even when everyone is present. Should the leader get a perk?
I think the leader needs a /vote command that prompts every member to vote for the new leader. (of course this would require every member to be attentive so, LOL it would never happen.) Actually if all members had the /vote command, you could re-elect a new leader without their consent even. (like when they're off hunting or afk)
Passing the baton is hard but I usually just tell whoever I KNOW is present"I'm sorry but I have to go, forgive me for tagging you". I had someone threaten this morning to disband and that was pretty intimidating and felt rude. You can ask someone to take it and if you get no volunteers you just give it to someone, you don't threaten to disband. I find that pretty bad form.