Dancer Archive
Thread: Cantinas suck
Aynianu
Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:44 pm
#14
picklesSW wrote:
Why do I say this?
Well, ask yourself why you go to a real life bar. There's entertainment there. There's drinks, perhaps a live band, other people, TV screens, maybe gambling, great music to dance to.
What do we have in cantinas in Star Wars? Very little. The entertainment, because they haven't seen fit to give us additional content, is stale. Everyone has seen every dance, heard every song. There's very little room for creativity in the rigid structure they've given us that would actually spell interesting entertainment. There's no gambling, no screens, no sabacc, no ability to get drunk, nothing. When people think of cantinas, all they think about are getting healed and buffed. THAT SUCKS!
I live in a cantina on Starsider right now. Every night there's people in there, alive and at the keys, enjoying themselves. Nobody cares about buffing or healing. But it's fun, and lately they added a radio station that added a lot in terms of entertainment. I go there because it's a fun place to be, but it's a very rare thing to see a cantina with life like this. Why?
Why can't the cantinas actually ENTERTAIN? Let us drop actual gambling tables. Keep adding new dances and open up the rigid structure of dancing to allow more flexibility. Allow musicians to actually construct songs, I don't care how you do it. Rock and sw3 don't entertain anymore, I'm sorry. Hey, nice newsnet terminals you added to the game. Now let us drop them in cantinas and add our OWN news to them. Give us control over the lighting in cantinas, let us turn it down so lights have more of an effect.
Add more cantina choices. They all look the same and none provide for special content, like meeting rooms and the like.
Add Sabacc. Add other games. This is social content. Let people get drunk. Add death sticks. Fix speakers and microphones so they do something.
Add "note boards" to sell in-game advertisements. Add some animated lights. Add a marquee. There's so many things you can do.
Make the cantinas a fun place to be, give the combat and crafting people a reason to go there other than buffs and healing. Ask yourself why you go to a club on friday night, or to a concert, or to a casino, or to anything else that provides entertainment. Identify what you find fun about it, and then you're well on your way to discovering how to fix cantinas so they draw a crowd.
Draw a crowd, and we have an audience. Give us a live audience having fun, the money will roll in, either through tips, gambling or just an entry fee.
In my opinion, this is what we need. Not better buffing or more wounds, or heightened battle fatigue. We need better player cantinas that are actually entertaining for people to be in.
Coincidence, i was thinking these very thoughts yesturday, i regularly play Starwars Roleplay pen and papper game and we set the stage for a cantina, with dejarik being played in one area, sabacc gaming tables and the like, shadey deals in another corner, holovids playing the latest single from a popular band. Had me thinking of how much more we could have in SWG cantina's
Mr_Velvet
Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:50 pm
#15
Einhinder wrote:
one of the things id love to see is theability to get drunk. its the one thing i lvoe most about the game that must not be named your toon can get plastered and burp up bubbles the speach becomes slurred and your screen ge the beer goggle effect makes me dizzy. you get people who hang out in the inns just to get drunk and buy people drinks
Like Baldurs Gate, you could get SMASHED, it was hilarious! Combat effectiveness went way down, good times...
Einhinder
Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:52 pm
#16
i love the slurred speach drink few dwarvven ales all of the shuddne you taking like thish ...hic!
Mr_Velvet wrote:
Einhinder wrote:
one of the things id love to see is theability to get drunk. its the one thing i lvoe most about the game that must not be named your toon can get plastered and burp up bubbles the speach becomes slurred and your screen ge the beer goggle effect makes me dizzy. you get people who hang out in the inns just to get drunk and buy people drinks
Like Baldurs Gate, you could get SMASHED, it was hilarious! Combat effectiveness went way down, good times...
ChiiTWINS
Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:41 pm
#17
The cantina nights on Kett are fun. Casino nights, I mean. 
I never did understand the rules for sabaac, though. 
I never did understand the rules for sabaac, though.
Etdentarie
Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:31 pm
#18
You and me both, Chii. I can understand the one on KOTOR, but I'm constantly lost at the Black Dice Den.
Cendatinea
Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:59 pm
#19
Etdentarie wrote:
You and me both, Chii. I can understand the one on KOTOR, but I'm constantly lost at the Black Dice Den.
Pssttt...I know a smuggler who can teach you a thing or two. For that matter, I wanna know how a Kiva was able to win at Sabaac at the BDD once.
EsistDarkSky
Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:41 pm
#21
Pazaak'd be great. Hell, even adding a Jubilee Wheel or two into there'd be nice.
Skye_Blue
Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:24 pm
#24
picklesSW wrote:
Why do I say this?
Well, ask yourself why you go to a real life bar. There's entertainment there. There's drinks, perhaps a live band, other people, TV screens, maybe gambling, great music to dance to.
What do we have in cantinas in Star Wars? Very little. The entertainment, because they haven't seen fit to give us additional content, is stale. Everyone has seen every dance, heard every song. There's very little room for creativity in the rigid structure they've given us that would actually spell interesting entertainment. There's no gambling, no screens, no sabacc, no ability to get drunk, nothing. When people think of cantinas, all they think about are getting healed and buffed. THAT SUCKS!
I live in a cantina on Starsider right now. Every night there's people in there, alive and at the keys, enjoying themselves. Nobody cares about buffing or healing. But it's fun, and lately they added a radio station that added a lot in terms of entertainment. I go there because it's a fun place to be, but it's a very rare thing to see a cantina with life like this. Why?
Why can't the cantinas actually ENTERTAIN? Let us drop actual gambling tables. Keep adding new dances and open up the rigid structure of dancing to allow more flexibility. Allow musicians to actually construct songs, I don't care how you do it. Rock and sw3 don't entertain anymore, I'm sorry. Hey, nice newsnet terminals you added to the game. Now let us drop them in cantinas and add our OWN news to them. Give us control over the lighting in cantinas, let us turn it down so lights have more of an effect.
Add more cantina choices. They all look the same and none provide for special content, like meeting rooms and the like.
Add Sabacc. Add other games. This is social content. Let people get drunk. Add death sticks. Fix speakers and microphones so they do something.
Add "note boards" to sell in-game advertisements. Add some animated lights. Add a marquee. There's so many things you can do.
Make the cantinas a fun place to be, give the combat and crafting people a reason to go there other than buffs and healing. Ask yourself why you go to a club on friday night, or to a concert, or to a casino, or to anything else that provides entertainment. Identify what you find fun about it, and then you're well on your way to discovering how to fix cantinas so they draw a crowd.
Draw a crowd, and we have an audience. Give us a live audience having fun, the money will roll in, either through tips, gambling or just an entry fee.
In my opinion, this is what we need. Not better buffing or more wounds, or heightened battle fatigue. We need better player cantinas that are actually entertaining for people to be in.
What cantina is that Javy? I'd love to come. And I would definetly tune in on the radio.Silly usually hostsour weekly Wednesday parties, and we use hurricane radio. While they arenot always held at a cantina but they sure are fun.
Agree, agree, agree. Cantinas are just too sterile. I mean sure you can decorate a player placeed cantina rahter nicely but there is little content to give it the cantina/bar scene feel. And even NPC cantinas should be spruced up a bit I really like the idea of beign able to customize lighting and the idea of having drink and getting drunk. As long as there are no bathrooms that I have to wait on line for, then I'm all for more realism! 
Einhinder
Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:37 pm
#25
Skye_Blue wrote:
picklesSW wrote:
Why do I say this?
Well, ask yourself why you go to a real life bar. There's entertainment there. There's drinks, perhaps a live band, other people, TV screens, maybe gambling, great music to dance to.
What do we have in cantinas in Star Wars? Very little. The entertainment, because they haven't seen fit to give us additional content, is stale. Everyone has seen every dance, heard every song. There's very little room for creativity in the rigid structure they've given us that would actually spell interesting entertainment. There's no gambling, no screens, no sabacc, no ability to get drunk, nothing. When people think of cantinas, all they think about are getting healed and buffed. THAT SUCKS!
I live in a cantina on Starsider right now. Every night there's people in there, alive and at the keys, enjoying themselves. Nobody cares about buffing or healing. But it's fun, and lately they added a radio station that added a lot in terms of entertainment. I go there because it's a fun place to be, but it's a very rare thing to see a cantina with life like this. Why?
Why can't the cantinas actually ENTERTAIN? Let us drop actual gambling tables. Keep adding new dances and open up the rigid structure of dancing to allow more flexibility. Allow musicians to actually construct songs, I don't care how you do it. Rock and sw3 don't entertain anymore, I'm sorry. Hey, nice newsnet terminals you added to the game. Now let us drop them in cantinas and add our OWN news to them. Give us control over the lighting in cantinas, let us turn it down so lights have more of an effect.
Add more cantina choices. They all look the same and none provide for special content, like meeting rooms and the like.
Add Sabacc. Add other games. This is social content. Let people get drunk. Add death sticks. Fix speakers and microphones so they do something.
Add "note boards" to sell in-game advertisements. Add some animated lights. Add a marquee. There's so many things you can do.
Make the cantinas a fun place to be, give the combat and crafting people a reason to go there other than buffs and healing. Ask yourself why you go to a club on friday night, or to a concert, or to a casino, or to anything else that provides entertainment. Identify what you find fun about it, and then you're well on your way to discovering how to fix cantinas so they draw a crowd.
Draw a crowd, and we have an audience. Give us a live audience having fun, the money will roll in, either through tips, gambling or just an entry fee.
In my opinion, this is what we need. Not better buffing or more wounds, or heightened battle fatigue. We need better player cantinas that are actually entertaining for people to be in.
What cantina is that Javy? I'd love to come. And I would definetly tune in on the radio.Silly usually hostsour weekly Wednesday parties, and we use hurricane radio. While they arenot always held at a cantina but they sure are fun.
Agree, agree, agree. Cantinas are just too sterile. I mean sure you can decorate a player placeed cantina rahter nicely but there is little content to give it the cantina/bar scene feel. And even NPC cantinas should be spruced up a bit I really like the idea of beign able to customize lighting and the idea of having drink and getting drunk. As long as there are no bathrooms that I have to wait on line for, then I'm all for more realism!
there also needs to be more room to dance in the cantina's espciallythe player ones if you want to decorate it nicley you end up dancing thur your tables and couches theres jsut not enough room to do the more movement oriented dances like lyrical 2
Skye_Blue
Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:46 pm
#26
Einhinder wrote:
there also needs to be more room to dance in the cantina's espciallythe player ones if you want to decorate it nicley you end up dancing thur your tables and couches theres jsut not enough room to do the more movement oriented dances like lyrical 2
I agree. It's very annoying to go try to have more than a few dancers up on stage. Can't tell you how many times I got clobbered by a staff when I first started dancing and traveling with other dancers. I miss that. I need to do more of that. Well not gettign hit on the head but the group part.