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Thread: This kid is absolutely ticking me off.

phujitiv
Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:00 pm
#14

What do you think I am doing right now? I am reading your profession. Why do you think I am doing it? Because I am trying to find out how I can get buffed when the AFK'ers aren't around. Hey, I tried to get a good buff from a real entertainer but they are hard find it seems. Who else can I count on if no live entertainers are on? Should I just not get a buff or should I go to an AFK one? And let's not forget that I used to be an entertainer when the game first came out. I'm still reading about my former profession.


The only good point I've seen so far is that novice entertainers can't level up because everyone is going to the AFK buffers meaning no XP is going to the novice guys. Is this the reason why you guys don't like AFK buffers? Stealing XP? Is it because you aren't getting money? I don't see why an entertainer needs money.


I have honestly been reading your forum and trying to understand your point of view but have failed to find enough information to sway my use of AFK buffers.


Sorry guys... I guess I have a different take on the issue.
Schardour
Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:09 pm
#15

Also, try this one:






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Schardour
Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:13 pm
#16

Follow the link in this one, perhaps it will help as well:






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Schardour
Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:16 pm
#17





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Schardour
Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:17 pm
#18

Need more bro? I could keep going.




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Drygo
Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:20 pm
#19






phujitiv wrote:

Umm... don't know what you all are complaining about. Again, I am looking for a specific answer to why AFK buffing is so bad for the entertainer professions. Details. In what way did the AFK buffers affect you, etc. Examples please.







For two weeks straight after I mastered dancer on Tarquinas I sold only one mind buff, to a fellow dancer. Do you know why? Because everywhere I went there were 3-5 afk master dancer buffbots buffing everyone for free. I was unable to make a living.


This is why AFK buffers affect me and the entertainer profession negatively.




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Drygo
Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:23 pm
#20






phujitiv wrote:

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The only good point I've seen so far is that novice entertainers can't level up because everyone is going to the AFK buffers meaning no XP is going to the novice guys. Is this the reason why you guys don't like AFK buffers? Stealing XP? Is it because you aren't getting money? I don't see why an entertainer needs money.






I need money to buy shuttle tickets, to buy clothes, to buy vehicles, to buy a house, to decorate my house, to buy accaragm, to buy quickness and stamina buffs...etc., etc., etc...




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Schardour
Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:31 pm
#21

Also, if you would like to better acquaint yourself with the spirit of the Entertainers and their hopes for future attention, read the following. It's rather old, but still holds true.


Message Edited by Schardour on 06-21-2004 05:32 PM




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phujitiv
Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:52 pm
#22

Thanks Schardour for the links. They are helpful. I think buffing should be allowed in the game but I now think that being able to do it AFK and for free should be changed. Somehow there should be a cost associated with it requiring the entertainers to craft something making it so that buffing could never be done for free. I think that is the real problem. I have to pay doctors because they have to pay for their items. Entertainers should have to pay for something so that in turn the rest of everyone would have to pay the entertainers.


The reason little respect is given to the entertainers is because of the thought that they have it so easy... just dancing away in a cantina. If more of a challenge were added to their profession then perhaps more respect would come their way.


I can see now that entertainers do more than just dance away in a Cantina. They want to decorate homes as well.So youdo need money. I don't have a problem paying you guys when you buff.


I look to the future.. when the hologrind is completely over and I know that when I tip an entertainer it is because they are truly there to entertain and not just level up.


However, because I am a TKM I don't need my wound points healed by someone else. My battle fatigue gets healed so quickly from entertainers that it seems pointless to tip. Maybe I will later when the hologrind is over.
Schardour
Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:01 pm
#23

You're quite welcome, sir.




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Drygo
Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:14 pm
#24






phujitiv wrote:

Thanks Schardour for the links. They are helpful. I think buffing should be allowed in the game but I now think that being able to do it AFK and for free should be changed. Somehow there should be a cost associated with it requiring the entertainers to craft something making it so that buffing could never be done for free. I think that is the real problem. I have to pay doctors because they have to pay for their items. Entertainers should have to pay for something so that in turn the rest of everyone would have to pay the entertainers.


The reason little respect is given to the entertainers is because of the thought that they have it so easy... just dancing away in a cantina. If more of a challenge were added to their profession then perhaps more respect would come their way.


I can see now that entertainers do more than just dance away in a Cantina. They want to decorate homes as well.So youdo need money. I don't have a problem paying you guys when you buff.


I look to the future.. when the hologrind is completely over and I know that when I tip an entertainer it is because they are truly there to entertain and not just level up.


However, because I am a TKM I don't need my wound points healed by someone else. My battle fatigue gets healed so quickly from entertainers that it seems pointless to tip. Maybe I will later when the hologrind is over.





I think most of us at this point don't take issue with not getting tips anymore. I think most of us are generally just excited as all get out when someone just comes in and says thank you. heh...I can't speak for everyone. But, I think there's a great many people here who are happy with a 100 credit tip for healing and a simple acknowledgement that we're here to play and deserve a role within the game just like everybody else.


Buffing is kind of a different story though, that is our bread and butter, and that's our money maker. The buffbots and what they do to our validity within the game is a much more heinous crime than lack of tips. After all, most of us that really love this profession would agree that our main purpose for playing this profession is simply to entertain. And, most of us acknowledge that we get the biggest tips from actually entertaining as opposed to just healing.


You're right, though, people are under the misconception that entertaining is easy. It's not. Only the hardiest of entertainers survive and can actually make a living off of it. And, the buffbots, are taking even that meager existence away from us. Those of us who enjoy actually playing, and don't have tons of alts and who dedicate a great deal of skill points to master dancer or musician (more than you need for TKM or most elite combat professions) deserve some kind of economic viability within the game.


I'm not saying, oh...poor me, I used up more skill points to master dancer than TKM so I should be richer. Far from it. I think all of us new that going into these professions we weren't going to be as rich as a TKM. And, most of us are absolutely fine with that. But, we do need some money, after all. We want some of those goodies and perks and items, and houses which require maintenance just like anybody else. What a boring game it would be if all I ever did was hang out and look at the same four walls of a Cantina. I feel I deserve to be able to go out there, see the galaxy, and own a home just like everybody else. Sure, it's going to take me longer to do than it takes a crafter or a combatant, but I still deserve the opportunities. Buffbots take away those opportunities. Believe me, when JTL comes out, I want a ship, I want to go up there and see what's going on too. I shouldn't have to give up entertaining to do that. I may not get the best ship like an uber combat professional, but I'd like a ship nonetheless. I can't do that if I can't sell any mindbuffs.


After reading all of your other posts, and then this one, I hope that you really do feel this way and you're not trying to be sarcastic or anything. We entertainers have to find our clothes, our houses, or doctor action stat buffs, chef foods, etc., just like any other profession needs to find the stuff that they need to fully enjoy their game. I've done an awful lot of waiting and searching to get these things. So, I never understand why there's such a double standard regarding the services that entertainers provide. I'm a master dancer who enjoys fighting or PvP from time to time. I'm not the best fighter, I can't afford composite. Sometimes I buff my entire guild, but I don't get a buff because I can't buff myself. And, I can't find someone to buff me, but I'm not going to help this profession inch ever closer to dying by patronizing a buffbot. It means, that sometimes I have to go without. Just like I have to go without whatever else I need if I can't find someone who will provide that service for me. So, I get mind incapped first. I die first. But, them's the breaks. Being able to buff myself is something I truly wish I had and deserve. But, hey, if I can't then I have no choice but to do without since I won't go to an afk'er, who along with all the other afk'ers, makes it even more difficult for me to afford the luxuries that I would like in the game.





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phujitiv
Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:32 pm
#25

Don't worry... I'm not being sarcastic. I am being real.. Some people don't like my questions when I pose them so bluntly. That is fine... I don't need to be Communications major to know that I rub people the wrong way. I've been on the forums today trying to get a handle on the situation. At first, all everyone could do is flame. Lately though... I've been getting good responses. I honestly couldn't get any detailed info about the exact reason why AFK'ing was bad... Now I can see why there is a problem with it. Finding a solution is the hard part. I'm not an easy person to convince, but I'm starting to lean the other way. Like I've said before, I will do what I can to get my buff from a real person.... but everyone needs to realize that if those that are live aren't saying anything then how will we know they are buffing and that they can do the 4 minute buffs?


Yeah, I can see that your profession needs attention from the dev's. I'm done with this forum for a while I think... I've gotten the jist of everything....
Xyrdre
Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:44 pm
#26


Phujitiv,


People are flaming because this is such an open wound in our community (and has been for a very, very, very... long time), and nothing has been done about it. Virtually the entire community of players of thesocial playstyle have complained that the social playstyle has been severely hurt - if not brought to the brink ofdestruction - by the AFKing and the buffbotting, and we've been met by silence from the devs and other SOE forum moderators, as if there is no problem at all. You've touched upon a very deep sore spot, and you've done it in several places all over our boards, and in a very short time.


We have been under direct attack by some of the pure combat players for a long time as well who refuse to acknowledge that anything but their combat game is valid. Even if your intentions were to just understand our perceived plight, you did come off quite callous. And the track record of what we've been enduring has made everyone just a little bit (tobe read,very)defensive, and in my opinionjustifiably so.


I just wanted you to better understand why you're getting that kind of reaction from our community.


Now, to better understand how and why AFK and buffbots have nearly destroyed the social playstyle in the SWG experience, it's probably best to just do the homework on it. Be prepared for quite a bit of research, as this has been an ongoing and increasing problem since... well, easily before September of last year.


Run some searches for "AFK" and "buffbot". Read what has happened since the beginning. It is a long and developing story, and I'm not sure there is a simple reader's digest version of it that can accurately sum up how all of this has become so devastating to our professions.





Deila Karlossi , Blue Glowie of Dancers, and become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...
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