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Thread: Mind Buff Self PLEASE!!!! Docs can do it, why can't we???
lol! what? Sultrina you're too funny. 
I mean, in this game... let me explain. I want to be a dancer, because yes I dance in RL and wanted to be an entertainer here too. SO, since my guild needed a master dancer, I chose to do it on this server. I am also almost a TKM. Therefore, yes, it would be great if I SO CHOSE to go out by myself, to get a mind buff going (repeat--doctors buff themselves [as i am a doctor i do it all the time to myself on the other server] do it why can't we), and then go out and hunt myself.
Yeah, powerboost is nice but lasts 5 minutes.Well actually I have never timed it. But, it doesn't last long at all. Having to reboost and reboost, neat, yeah i like that skill--but the duration does not last.Mind buffs last for two hours.
All in all, if I want to go out and hunt and work on my TKA skill (almost a master yay), and there are no master dancers/entertainers anywhere in the cities when the servers come back on... I want the ability to buff my own mind and go hunt.
Also, yeah, neat. I do like to entertain and sometimes if I feel like "being" the entertainment, I will be the entertainment and stay up late and be one of 2 or 3 other entertainers somewhere... or even better yet the ONLY one there and sit there and get crappy XP by my lonesome, because nobody is even online to watch me! So hmmm, how much fun is that? Maybe at this time, I would mind buff myself and choose to work on my TKA skill. Wouldn't it be great to have that option? Uh huh!
But if I want to go out and hunt, and I want my mind buffed... as a master dancer, I shure as heck should be able to buff my own mind and go out and do my own thing. It's only fair.
Again, doctors do it why can't we? If they want to go out and solo in the middle of the night and nobody is around, well yeesh! Ain't that nice? They can just throw their own little buff on themselves and go out there and do it.
Why can't we?
N--yeah i see your point with the devs. on the entertainers/healers being just for after relief of battle and it makes sense. I admit, yes it does. But then again, STAR WARS DIDN'T HAVE GRAULS AND PETS, I never once saw a cowardly gurrek in the movie.
So, if we are going by movie terms... why are there pets?
Baci
SlickRiptide wrote:
BaciGatto wrote:Will it get fixed someday? Yeah, probably. Is it a priority right now? Probably not. If it appeared on Ravenmist and NewJedi's top five issues then it will get consideration at that level. For now, the buffs work and entertainers just have to get their buffs from other entertainers.
NO! I refuse to accept that dancers are any kind of second class citizen!!!
I demand they fix this ASAP!!!
Sultrina wrote:
If doctors have this ability and thats what you want so badly then go play a doctor Uh huh! I said I didnt like it and I dont give a **edit** if every other class in the game can buff their own mind. It's my opinion and it hasn't changed. If you don't feel like entertaining and want to go work on your TKA thats fine. That still doesn't mean you should be able to buff your own mind. Im a TKA too and I do just fine in the field with or without the mind buff. I also find it very easy to GET the mind buff if I wan't it so
Congratulation Sultrina If you find it very easy to get teh mindbuff, if you want it so.
First: Not every Dancer outthere is so luckily. If I am on Lok ( and there I am the most of my time) or Talus, I am nearly ever the only masterdancer on this planets, at least the only one with a tag as masterdancer. Yet on Tartooine it is not easy to find one. And hey I am a masterdanceralsobecause I can dance for myself and have not to go on search for one.
Second: Ok It is only a subjective feeling, but I feel a bit stupid sitting in a cantina and watching asnd tiping the dancers without dancing myself as a masterdancer.
Third: If a hunting group invites me, I have little difficulties to explain, first to find a second masterdancer, that I can buff me too, and explain, that they have to wait 10 minutes more now, because I can not watch and dance at once.
Fourth: Following your argumentation dancers should also not be possible to heal themselves, they are here finally to entertain others not to help the own character.
Why do you hate this idea so? Would it hurt you in any way, if you can buff yourself. Or would it hurt any other character in this game?
I can see only benefits.
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Aniella (Gorath) Dancer, Fencer
Hmmm... I thought I was pretty clear but it seems I may not have been.
Let me try an analogy.
A mechanic looks at a car engine and wants to extract the spark plugs. His current tools are inadequate to the job so he takes his existing socket wrench and modifies it to reach into the engine and twist the spark plugs out.
An observer admires it and says "You know, this is handy, but it's really only useful to right-handed people. A left-handed person would have to twist it the other direction in order to use it properly." To which the mechanic must reply "Yes, but the socket wrench I built my tool from doesn't turn that way. It only turns right to tighten and left to loosen. I'd have to build some reverse gearing and attach it to some sort of switchable drive mechanism to let it work equally well for both right-handed and left-handed people." To which the left-handed people reply "Screw this, I should be able to use my smokebomb to distract the enemy in combat." (Wait, that's a different thread...)
As for the idea that we had the ability at one time and it was taken away, it's simply not true. Ravenmist, Newjedi and myself all tested it. The people who believed they were buffing themselves were actually receiving the benefit of the passive group buff, not the active targeted buff. A simple misunderstanding, especially considering the number of people who don't seem to know there IS a passive group buff.
As I said before, it wasn't a design decision that prevents us from buffing ourselves. The limitation is inherent in the game engine due to the fact that the buffing is based on the /watch and /listen mechanism. You can't just flip a switch to change something like that, any more than you can just take your car to the mechanic and say "I'm tired of this manual transmission, give me an automatic and I want it by this afternoon." Getting frustrated and complaining about being "second-class citizens" because you have to wait for your "bug fix" isn't going to make it happen any faster.
Let me point out that this is my opinion and my view of what a dancer should be may differ from your own.
First: Not every Dancer outthere is so luckily. If I am on Lok ( and there I am the most of my time) or Talus, I am nearly ever the only masterdancer on this planets, at least the only one with a tag as masterdancer. Yet on Tartooine it is not easy to find one. And hey I am a masterdanceralsobecause I can dance for myself and have not to go on search for one.
You don't HAVE to find a master dancer to get your buff, that kind of thinking is so silly. What without the MAX buff you find it imposible to play?
Second: Ok It is only a subjective feeling, but I feel a bit stupid sitting in a cantina and watching asnd tiping the dancers without dancing myself as a masterdancer.
I would feel a little silly sitting on my butt and tiping people when I should temporarly be in their group helping them earn exp and geting the group buff rather then soaking them for their targeted buff too. As entertaienrs I would think at least we should understand the buffing system enough to use it more efficintly.
Third: If a hunting group invites me, I have little difficulties to explain, first to find a second masterdancer, that I can buff me too, and explain, that they have to wait 10 minutes more now, because I can not watch and dance at once.
If I am with a hunting party I don't find it so important to have the buff at all, I am allways a dancer first and TKA second and I am not about to waste my parties time waiting for me to get a personal buff when I can keep them all buffed just fine each time we stop to rest and they can cover my tushy.
Fourth: Following your argumentation dancers should also not be possible to heal themselves, they are here finally to entertain others not to help the own character.
I don't see where these two things remotley have anythign to do with eachother. I can fully see someone working on their performance can melt away their fatige and drain away anger (mental damage). At the same time their concentration on their own performance prevents them from lifting their spirits to the point of a "buff" they can only ge this sort of high playing with other performers. In other words you can heal yourself but you can't tickle yourself. However if you think this argument still weight realize that I love a chalange and therefore would be just fine with a change that made us unable to heal ouselves too.
Why do you hate this idea so? Would it hurt you in any way, if you can buff yourself. Or would it hurt any other character in this game?
I can see only benefits.
I hate this idea so becuase it alows dancers to use dancing in a selfish and contrary to the spirit of the class mannor, the current system encourages you to acually do your job by dancing in empty cantinas and seekign other entertainers to socilize with. What it would hurt is in a class that is allready a sewer you would add to it the uber leet who take the class just for its buffing abilities and care little about how they effect the entertainers around them. Just because an idea wouldn't hurt doesnt mean it is a good one, In this case I do see it hurting an allready wounded class. The only benifit I see is to you the dancer, not to your customers or fellow entertainers. Just to wind this all up I reall don't see why doctors can heal their own black bar damage, I would never perform sugery on myself. Would you?
Sultrina, why do you think the class is already in the sewer? It seems you like it just the way it is... but yet think it's in the sewer. Please explain? How would YOU change entertainer then?
Baci
Oh, and I still think that self buffing is a good idea.... and my opinion will never change. You grind and grind and grind, and yet can't benefit from your own talent when you are *alone*... *shrugs*.
Why is it that there is not ONE profession other than entertainer, where you can't be ALONE and benefit from your talent greatly. Sure you can heal your own BF, and wounds... neat. Every other profession, when you grind and grind... you can benefit from the hard work ALONE or WITH a group... entertainer is really the only profession you don't reallly benefit from by YOURSELF.
And Sultrina, I am not selfish. I am very willing to play in groups and have A GREAT time entertaining when I do. I'm just saying that when I am by myself I have the **edit** right to benefit from my own talent.
And, again, if we can't /watch ourselves and /listen to ourselves, then have the devs make objects where we can. That's so silly. Like when I"m playing the piano in RL i can't hear it? Okies! When I'm "dancing" in a mirror, I can't watch myself? Okies... whatever.
Again, docs do it why can't we? And, yes... AGAIN, we can get mind buffs from passives in a group... big whoop. By the time I get to my destination, get my missions, and head out.. I might have a good hour and a half to work on getting skills or benefiting from it. Whereas if I could do it myself, I'd get to my destination, grab my missions, and THEN mind buff myself--then head out. A good solid two hours allll alone. *sigh*
Baci
The honest truth here is more then likely the intetion of the DEVs is that we should be able to buff ourselves and they will in the future "fix" this. I do belive that would be a mistake on their part though as I belive that the reduction in action point cost to dancers was. I also hate the /deny service comand and allways will and I loath any atempt to add mroe features to this travesty. All I want from thsi class is more and mroe tools to entertain with, thats what I do. Anything that does not add entertainment value to the class I am oposed too and I could ramble for a long time on that but the bottom line is adding non entertainment oritated skills to our class only draws the type of pople who should not be playing the class to the class.
Just a thought here, but it does seem silly that an entertainer can buff him/herself.
How can you watch or listen to yourself and enhance your mind? I can understand how a doc can buff thier ownstats useing chemicals. Its like a dose of steroids and PCP, so that makes sense to me.
What is the underpinning logic to this other than you just want to do it? I'm not saying it shouldn't be alowed to happen, just wondering how you canfocus performance onyourselffor a buff.Its just a tad different than injecting a chemical into your arm.
Hi,
I was going to say a dancer can't buff her/himself because dancer isn't a combat prof. But doctor isn't a combat profession either. hmmm ....
Q
exactly!!!
Once again, if "logic" fits in this game... ... then give artisans the chance to make a mirror... sell it on the market. Etc.
Of course, you know my stance on the listening to oneself, right? When I play the piano, I can hear it myself without having to "focus" on it at all.... So logically, lol, this should already be in the game.
Sultrina--I *luv* you, hon! Glad we can agree to disagree and still not flame all over the bb about it.
Q--lol.
yep yep... give us a mirror if you need it to be logical.
Baci (master doc/mastering Combat Med/rifles--Starsider)
Julz (Master TK, Master Medic, Novice Smuggler--Bria)