Dancer Archive
Thread: Opinion: Why Buff Bots are NOT bad
Naish wrote:
So I ask you, what can I do to not totally wreck your fun? Considering, that killing my buff bot is not an option.
I do appreciate your honest attempt to be as little trouble as you can. However, the same game mechanics that allows you to do what you do in as nice a way as you can, permits a multitude more to do so with no care for who they might be hurting. There is no way to have one without the other.
However, even in your attempts to be as little trouble as you can, it is too much. You say killing your bot is not an option, I say it is the only option. Consider this..
You said that SWG is a capitolistic environment. In such an environment, you have to be competitive to get business. Well, with the proliferation of buff-bots, to be competitive you have to be around nearly 23/7 in the same spot, in many cases work for free (Ask for tips or no, there will be a lot of players who stiff the bots), and allow our customers complete control of what they get from us and how they pay for it. In other words, to be competitive, we must become a buff-bot as well. That is not why we play entertainers, and it can't even work along with our reason for playing entertainers in many cases.
I know the most common reason for setting up a buff-bot. People can never find an entertainer for a mind buff, right? Well, I completely agree with them for different reasons. You can't find something you don't look for. I almost always wear my master dancer title. I'd get more business if I wore my master tailor title, but I wear my master dancer title. Do you know when the last time someone sent me a tell asking "Would you be willing to buff my mind?" Heck, even a "can u buff my mind plz thx"? Neither do I. It's been so long, I can't remember. I can think of once this year when I wasn't at a cantina and was asked by someone for anything entertainer related. It was from a newbie on the 14 day trial who asked me at the starport for a mind heal. I was more than happy to help.
Killing the buff bots, not just one, is the only option.
Of course I would not like my elite profession to be ruined. I was a master CH and that's all but useless now. Master commando, same thing. Now, surpise surprise, I'm master rifleman and master TK. At least until the combat balance. Personally, I don't really understand how anyone enjoys hanging out in a cantina dancing or playing music for hours at a time, but maybe you don't understand how I like to run around a blow stuff up. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
That said, a buff bot enhances the combat professions, especially in PVP. The downside for you is that you feel like it hurts yours. So this is the delima we are faced with. Now the question is finding a balance.
So I ask you, what can I do to not totally wreck your fun? Considering, that killing my buff bot is not an option.
As far as the money question is concerned, galaxies is a capitolistic environment. Business practices change. I've done lots of stuff to make cash that has long since dried up. Like selling mounts for example. No money in that any more.
Naish wrote:
So I ask you, what can I do to not totally wreck your fun? Considering, that killing my buff bot is not an option.
Set yourself up in a private structure with an entry fee... you will still hurt the economy for Live Dancers and Buffers, but at least you won't ruin Cantina immersion. 
I don't mind people wanting to be buffed, I understand that. What I do mind is totally ruiningthe whole Concept of a Profession. I don't like it for CH. I don't like it for Commando. I don't like it for Dancer. I hope weall get our fixes soon.
Naish wrote:
Ok, I can buy the money argument. And I can see your point about the bots hurting your elite profession. But I think there are two sides to both of those arguments and I happen to sit on the other side.
Just kidding here, but isn't that fairly obvious?
Of course I would not like my elite profession to be ruined. I was a master CH and that's all but useless now.
Same here, I left without fighting for the cause.
Master commando, same thing.
Same here, I left without fighting for the cause.
Needless to say, I won't be making that same mistake thrice.
Now, surpise surprise, I'm master rifleman and master TK. At least until the combat balance. Personally, I don't really understand how anyone enjoys hanging out in a cantina dancing or playing music for hours at a time, but maybe you don't understand how I like to run around a blow stuff up. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
I'm also a Master Rifleman, and have been since shortly after launch. There was a time when I could have been considered a power-gamer. I thoroughly enjoyed PvP, PvE, and exploration/hunting. I led the first successful assault on the largest Imperial base complex on the server back when the GCW was at the height of enjoyment on Chilastra. I've hunted with some of the best players of all time. I've allowed myself the time to "blow stuff up" between projects for over a year now. Yet I still have an unabiding passion for the Dancer community, a community that I only joined a few short months ago. I always have enjoyed the atmosphere of a packed cantina (when the entertainers nearly always spoke in spatial). Dancing has been a welcome change of pace from the GCW, but I must say...I feel for those that depend solely on the professions for their livelihood. You've ruined it for them (collectively). I'm serious.
That said, a buff bot enhances the combat professions, especially in PVP. The downside for you is that you feel like it hurts yours. So this is the delima we are faced with. Now the question is finding a balance.
No, buffs (not buffbots) enhance the combat professions. However, they are not necessary. Some of my greatest fun was found in challenging myself to compete while unbuffed and unarmored. Give it a whirl the next time you can't find a live master to help you out.
So I ask you, what can I do to not totally wreck your fun? Considering, that killing my buff bot is not an option.
Oh, but it is...
As far as the money question is concerned, galaxies is a capitolistic environment. Business practices change. I've done lots of stuff to make cash that has long since dried up. Like selling mounts for example. No money in that any more.
Panthu wrote:
Naish wrote:
So I ask you, what can I do to not totally wreck your fun? Considering, that killing my buff bot is not an option.Set yourself up in a private structure with an entry fee... you will still hurt the economy for Live Dancers and Buffers, but at least you won't ruin Cantina immersion.
Indeed, Heck if you've got a hunter or fighter go fight for your cash. Granted our proffession doesn't have the highest outgoings in the game but we still need clothing, training, money for a house or a cantina etc. Buffbots do nothing but drain this income further. As soon as they get fixed to stop them happening the better.
Naish wrote:
So, why don't you dance for fun while your online and run your buff bot as a service when you're not?
Because the bot is stealing cash, XP (remember peeps will get healed and buffed at the same time ), and fun (socialising with your 'client' is fun) from the ATK Entertainers.
