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Drygo

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:07 pm

Ravenmist wrote:

I was the Dancer Correspondent for9 months, not sure how long your break was.

I'll admit, I wasn't active on the forums when I first started playing or my break. By the time I got active here, you were on your way out because I remember them looking for a correspondent, and Panthu getting it. Not that any of that matters...my point was that as a former Corre, you've no doubt had information that the rest of us aren't privy to.

As far as the information, it wasn't anything private, I posted on the boards more then once the reason why the Dev that is personally responsible for us, (at least at the time) didn't give us the ability to self mind buff. If you haddone your research you could of found that as well.

You missed my point really. The point is, it's rude to go around saying "Where do you come up with this crap?" when you don't have all of the information. You see, the difference here is that when I had information thatyou didn't have, I would have never said "Where do you come up with this crap?" because I had enough respect for you as a human being, irrelevant of how long you have been here or not, correspondent or not, former or current, to never say something like that to you. You absolutely cannot justify using that phrase to me, regardless of whether I ended up being right or wrong.

I dont flaunt my information, I never have.

Well the first time I found your posts to be insulting was during the time where they "fixed" our buffs and put on a minimum of 2 minutes buffing. Your tone throughout that particular post was nothing but condescending with a dash of "I have sources. I should know." Another poster, other than myself even said within that thread that you sounded "elitist."

If I said anything on these boards that wasn't public information already I wouldn't have any "insider" information anymore. While I was gone myself apparently someone gave you guys a different story as to why they didn't want you self buffing. I didn't have that information so apprently Neither of us did adaquate research before posting Drygo so your certainlly not any better then I am at this.

Again, my point in bringing that up was that you should do more research before you ever talk to someone in the tone that you talked to me in, whether you were right, or I was right, the tone and the words you used were wrong.

I dont know you very well, I admit. There is very few people I dont' get along with on these forums and I'm sorry if you felt like I was picking on you. I did assume you where spouting nonsense and I appologize for making that assumption without knowing you better. It happens too often on these boards and your information seemed like nonsense to me at the time. (would still like to know which story the Devs are going to stick too now, pretty messed up they are giving a different story now) I dont make a habit of pissing people off, if I did I wouldn't of lasted as long as I did when I was the Correspondent. I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot. Hopefully we can both be mature enough to move past this and work with each other in the future.

Well, I won't be here in the future. But, apology accepted anyway.

- Ravenmist

- I support hawtpants

Ravenmist

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:24 am

#15

Groovymarlin wrote:

I can only assume the developer who told you that is no longer on the live game or has been overruled, because it's DEFINITELY not the answer that we have received from either the Community Relations Manager (TH) or the Lead Game Designer (Kirk aka Runesabre).

This thread reminded me of the furor that came up when we found out they were implementing a two minute delay on buff application. Nobody was sure at first if it was adding two minutes to all buffs, or included in the total buff time. If you think you've never been condescending to anyone since your return, I suggest you go back and re-read that thread, where you were quite condescending, in my opinion. I was as surprised by it then as I am now.

Actually that thread was posted right as I was leaving, not when I came back. I haven't gone back to read it but I can imagine it might of not been in character for me. I was pretty pissed off and was leaving the game at the time so I may have been a lot harsher then everyone had come to expect from me. If that was the case I appologize for that as well, those of you who've been following the forums since release know me well enough to know when I do get out of line its avery rare occurance. I am still human tho afterall and sometimes my emotional state of being gets expressed on the boards unfairly.I hate to think that I take it out on people that don't deserve it but I guess its bound to happen sometimes.

As far as the first part.. It would seem to be the case reading up on things and thats a big shame. We we're promised one thing, then they say another. Not the first time thats happened or will be the last I'm sure. I do still hold on to hope that they'll give us the ability when they make the revamp of the system sometime after JTL. Guess it just goes to show you can't trust anything until you see it happen.

- Ravenmist

Groovymarlin

Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:43 pm

#16

/hug Ravenmist!

As a regular player it's so easy to get frustrated...I can only imagine that frustration must multiply when you're a correspondent. Frankly I worry for Panthu...she seems so cheerful. Demonically so.

La'lepa Ofo

Master Dancer :: Master Swordswoman :: Force Sensitive
AFKing is not entertaining - support real entertainers

Cindal

Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:29 am

#17

Drygo wrote:

From TH's 19 answers dated 5/26/04:

Musician

Will Musicians get the ability to buff their own Focus and Willpower? Also, can we get our buffs to last as long as Doctor buffs -- say, three hours? And would it be possible to improve the buff interface so that we can when we're buffing properly, how much time remains til the buff is done, and (most important) whether the buff actually worked?

Musicians will not get the ability to buff their own Focus and Willpower.As the system currently exists, if players could buff themselves, they would get experience points every time they buffed themselves and that is bad design.In the future, Keldarin wants to change the system and then it would be possible.As for extending buff durations?It is hard to say since much of this will be changing with the combat balance.

Whether or not a player is buffing properly or if it worked will be displayed in the buff icon window and the character sheet.If the icon appears and your stats change, then the buff worked.As for the displaying the buff duration information in the buff window, the answer is “not at this time”.All the UI programmers are working on JTL.

Drs can buff themselves. I can heal myself with my medic abilities yet I do not gain xp for said healing. I am a master and do not gain any longer so why cannot masters heal their own mind (and or focus/willpower). It is not a equal system.

Cin or do you say Sin
~ Master Dancer/Master Bio-Engineer ~
~ Let la lune de miel begin ~
"You know you're loved if you've been *pillow*'ed."

Groovymarlin

Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:20 pm

#18

Cindal wrote:

Drs can buff themselves. I can heal myself with my medic abilities yet I do not gain xp for said healing. I am a master and do not gain any longer so why cannot masters heal their own mind (and or focus/willpower). It is not a equal system.

Well, actually...we can heal our mind/focus/willpower wounds (and battle fatigue). We just can't buff them. But your point is well taken.

La'lepa Ofo

Master Dancer :: Master Swordswoman :: Force Sensitive
AFKing is not entertaining - support real entertainers

CodeBreaker007

Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:43 pm

#19

One solution might be for master doctors to be able to make mind buff stims that only master Dancer/Musicans can use on them selves.

Teras Kasi Master
Master Dancer
Brawler 4/0/0/0
Entertainer 0/0/4/4
Scout 0/0/4/0

Xyrdre

Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:30 pm

#20

CodeBreaker007 wrote:

One solution might be for master doctors to be able to make mind buff stims that only master Dancer/Musicans can use on them selves.

This would make sense, if docs could only buff themselves by watching us dance.

I don't want to have docs unable to buff themselves, I just think that we should have the same rights to our own abilities, that's all. It's been said before, a doc can buff themselves, a weaponsmith can use weapons that they made, a chef can eat foods they've made,a droid engineer can use droids that they built... why can't we buff ourselves? We don't know... we've had (I believe) three different answers on why not, and none quite seemed like show-stopper reasons to any of us.

Deila Karlossi , Blue Glowie of Dancers, and become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...

CodeBreaker007

Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:50 pm

#21

Well I can understand the bit about entertainers buffing each other to get xp, so the solution would be to only be able to buff yourself when reaching master, which would stop that from happening. As it is now entertainers can go and get mind buffs without doing it to them selves from other dancers, so it needs to be worked out that entertainers could buff themselves not just by dancing but having to do something like crafting to create buffs just like docs do with stims..

I don't see why master dancers/musicians can't graft bluestims as with the drink blue milk as part of the master profession. Or at least have the ability to craft some sort of equiment that you need to buff yourself once master...

So take away the bluemilk drink from chefs and give it to dancers/musicians.

Musicians could have to craft a special instrument to be able to mind buff themselves.

If their taking away macro's looping then they will have to add more to the entertainer/dancer/musician professions to keep them interesting to play, as the worse effected would be the dancer, as their only money making is buff's, they need something else to make money out of the profession..

End of the day, anything that is mind related should be removed from other professions and placed with the dance, as mind seems to be what the entertainer is their for, and not much else.

Teras Kasi Master
Master Dancer
Brawler 4/0/0/0
Entertainer 0/0/4/4
Scout 0/0/4/0

Xyrdre

Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:43 am

#22

Yes, the thing that we thought was a bit goofy about the 'buffing ourselves for XP' thing was that the amount or XP that we get for itis so minute compared to the amounts of healing XP we need in dancer that it's not really a replacement for actual healing in cantinas while leveling. Also, most dancers that really want to self-buff are already Masters, and don't need or care about the XP. Still, my personal thinking on the subject is that the XP thing isn't the real reason, but just something we were told once to try to get us to lay off the subject. I think it's that the buffing code, known to need rewriting, has some flaw in it that doesn't allow us to buff ourselves, and rewriting the code, although eventually necessary, will take some time and tweaking. I think the various answers we've gotten on this were to buy some time.

We agree too that we need some more engaging game play options. The trick seems to be in nailing down just what that could be... what constitutes 'engaging game play' for us. Part of the trick is that a lot of what we're about is subjective... performance, and socializing... and not really something that's easy to just code some satisfying content in for. I have some ideas about this, and I'm sure a lot more of us do as well, and it's my hopes that now the buffbot/AFK thing has been addressed, we can move on to phase 2, which is enhancing our game play to retain and attract more entertainers. We have a lot of scared players out there... afraid that they'll never see a live entertainer to heal their BF or buff their minds. Now is the time to see what we can really do to make playing the professions even more fun.

I think that the general consensus amongst dancers was that we weren't all that interested in crafting... at least not a lot. So I'm not too sure that we'd want to become even part-time chefs to be the manufacturers of blue milk. On the other hand, if the only way the devs would let us self buff was for entertainers to craft some special item that would be used up in the process (perhaps a special instrument that must be played by musicians, or shoes worn by dancers), if that were the only way they'd let us buff ourselves, I'd bet we'd see a lot of short-run crafters popping up to do it.

Other sources of revenue... yes. Well, the obvious thing would be to have our missions from Entertainer Mission terminals pay out reasonably, and have increasingly engaging missions that scale with our skill levels and group size, the way that combat missions do. Of course, what that 'engaging' mission type is would have to be figured out, as well as ensuring ways to avoid seeing 'solo groups' of entertainers grouping just to get the higher paying gigs then running off to take them out themselves. Still though, some sort of mission that was suited to a group of say 3 master musicians and 2 master dancers would certainly pay better than the 100-200 credits that all entertainer missions currently pay.

I'd also like to say that I appreciate you taking some time to come to our forums and have a bit of actually constructive discussion about some of the things that affect us. It's very refreshing to have visitors who aren't begging for buffbot macros or otherwise here just to give us grief. Thanks for caring.

Deila Karlossi , Blue Glowie of Dancers, and become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...

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