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Thread: Recruitment tips?
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--Qilue-UCW--
Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:56 am
#1
Hi...
I'm looking for some tips anyone can offer about how to recruit"at the keyboard" entertainers. My guild on Corbantis has had very little luck with recruiting Entertainers.. The last Musician and Dancer that we recruited are still members of the guild.. but they both eventually dropped Dancer and musician for other skills.
So I guess my second question would be.. After we have recruited an entertainer.. How do we keep them as entertainers? What can we do as a guild to keep them from getting bored with the profession?
(( I will admit I'm the Musician, I dropped musician long before the Dancer joined...
andshehas not completly dropped itshe is 4040
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Drygo
Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:43 am
#2
It's a hard question so I don't know all the answers. But, maybe if people said why they joined the guild they joined it might give some insight. The first guild I ever joined I only joined because I was new and whatever...didn't really research it.
But, when I was looking for another guild with the awareness that I finally had about the game, I didn't join one lightly. I had criteria that a guild had to meet, or I wouldn't have joined.
1. Strict enforcement of no afk or buffbotting in or around any building within the city where the guild was located.
2. I didn't want to be the only one. I wanted to know there were other atk entertainers in the guild that would have my back just in *case* this formerly buffbotless city started having notions about getting one. (I know that's kind of impossible to provide without already having entertainers, it's a vicious circle. But, I dunno, maybe try to recruit a whole band, or a group of 5 noobs in Mos Eisley at the same time)
3. The guild I wanted to be in had to be diverse. Just like I didn't want to be the only entertainer, I didn't want to be in a guild of only entertainers. I wanted a well rounded guild that had combatants, crafters, and entertainers all under one roof, where they all understood the value of every type of gameplay and respected one another.
That's basically all I wanted, and believe me, it was incredibly tough finding it.
I don't think bribery works. Or, maybe it does in the short term. But, I pretty much won't join if the reason to join is the spam in the starport that says, "free medium house...we'll take anybody!!" However, especially if you do decide to recruit noob ents, they probably would appreciate a little financial help...but, maybe do something creative like give them 10 articles of clothing or something. I know I would've loved that. 
And, it's really important to make them feel important. Encouragement by saying, "we'd really love an atk performer who can eventually take over the cantina or the theater." I think people would love having that as a goal. Especially if a guild is the type that would like to have events in the future. Most atk entertainers love events. And, I think if your guild has that type of atmosphere, and you promote that when recruiting, you'll receive some bites.
And, it's really important to make them feel important. Encouragement by saying, "we'd really love an atk performer who can eventually take over the cantina or the theater." I think people would love having that as a goal. Especially if a guild is the type that would like to have events in the future. Most atk entertainers love events. And, I think if your guild has that type of atmosphere, and you promote that when recruiting, you'll receive some bites.Other things may work, and what I've offered is not the be all of recruiting entertainers. I'm just coming from the perspective of what I was looking for in a guild, and the type of atmosphere that I think attracts most atk entertainers.
Message Edited by Drygo on 03-10-2005 10:44 AM
Ikewe
Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:05 pm
#3
Personally, I want a guild that understands that entertainers are not just "alts" to be activated when needed. Each of us became an entertainer for a reason. If the guild can keep that reason viable then the entertainers will enjoy the profession and will enjoy being in the guild. Does your guild hold events where entertainers have something to do? Do you host non-combat events? Do you actively seek out live entertainers for healing and buffing? All of these things will reveal a lot about the mind set of a guild and can make or break the entertainer's experience. Think about what you do to keep combat professions in the guild and then look at how those activities can be translated to other professions.
I personally joined what was a wonderful guild on my server. However, recent events have led me to question that decision. If your guild members are focused solely on power-grinding toward some goal, be it to master a profession or to become Jedi, then chances are they aren't going to be too concerned about whether the dancer or musician is actually an entertainer or just a convenient dispensor. It's easy for live entertainers to feel worthless when guildchat reveals that people are using a buffbot. With out a firm sense of support and belonging there's really nothing that joining a guild can offer an entertainer that will make sticking with the profession worth while.
The fact that you came here looking for advice says a lot. Consider why you and the other entertainer changed your professional focus and that might offer a very good starting point.
cheers,
Ikewe
Petronela
Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:55 pm
#4
This is a very hard question and I think the answer would depend on each individual’s expectation from game.
But a main thing is: please be honest.
Honest about what your guild’s expectation from the new entertainer is and what your guild’s commitment to include the entertainers and their play-style is.
No one likes to dance by themselves in an empty cantina to be only at back and call for the guild. At least not all the time I would think.
As any other player, they need to feel part of the whole, they should feel that their contribution to the guild is respected and important.
But in all honesty, for many reasons, I am not the best person to answer this question.
Good luck and I think it’s very rare and awesome of your guild to actually care that your entertainers are happy guild members also.
Deli’ah
But a main thing is: please be honest.
Honest about what your guild’s expectation from the new entertainer is and what your guild’s commitment to include the entertainers and their play-style is.
No one likes to dance by themselves in an empty cantina to be only at back and call for the guild. At least not all the time I would think.
As any other player, they need to feel part of the whole, they should feel that their contribution to the guild is respected and important.
But in all honesty, for many reasons, I am not the best person to answer this question.
Good luck and I think it’s very rare and awesome of your guild to actually care that your entertainers are happy guild members also.
Deli’ah
Ikewe
Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:25 pm
#5
--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:
What I am hopeing to find is Entertainers who are not Pure entertainers... Half Entertainer and half combatant. so that they can hunt with guildmates and still retain the entertainer part of them as well.
Ikewe Said:
It's easy for live entertainers to feel worthless when guildchat reveals that people are using a buffbot.
That is very true.. part of the problem and the reason I dropped Musician was the fact that we also did not have Dancer.. It was just easer to go to a bot then to track me down get my Musician buff then gofind a dancer and get a dancer buff as well.
I'm a Master Dancer, Master RifleTwi. The success of your finding and keeping an ATK entertainer will be in appealing to the entertainer side of them as well as the combat. The combat stuff is easy because everyone can understand the motivations. But not everyone can understand the motivations behind being an entertainer. They either think of us as people who like to "sit in a chat room all day" or they don't think of us as players at all. Your guild needs to decide how much they really want an ATKer. If they want one then they need to be prepared to work at it. It's always going to be easier to go to a bot or load in an alt if that's what they are accustomed to doing. If they are willing to put just a bit of effort into the process then it won't be too hard to keep an active ATK entertainer/combat hybrid in your guild. If they are not... well then they won't. It's as simple as that. And trust me, your entertainer is going to know the true actions of your guild regardless of any "lipservice" you give to wanting to support ATKers. All of them need to be on board with the desire to have an ATKer. If they aren't then sooner or later more and more of them will stop providing what your entertainer needs and then or she willend up using the /removeguild command or dropping their entertainer profession.
If you worked to recruit a DE into your guild to help with DWB runs and then eventually ended up just taking someone's DE alt to the bunker instead do you think your DE would be happy? The same goes with the entertainers. If you replace our role in the guild with a bot or an alt (and by this I mean a character that isn't played but is simply loaded in when the skill set is needed) then what incentive do we have to keep the profession and help the guild?
good luck,
Ikewe
Message Edited by Ikewe on 03-10-2005 01:28 PM
Devil_Tiger
Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:56 pm
#6
I left a guild for several reasons, but one of them was the fact that they promoted the use of an MM/MD alt in the cantina. I was asked to join to provide healing and buffing services, but was instantly replaced within days. Appealing to the entertainer side, as Ikewe said, is a must. The minute a buff vendor pops up on stage, any value we have as a live entertainer is instantly flushed down the toilet. The worst part about the whole situation was when I was told they wanted the buffbot in the cantina and hinted at me being nothing more than a portable buffer on hunts. Nothing was ever said about bringing me along as a pistoleer/entertainer, just as a buffer/healer.
If they have a buffbot alt, they have ZERO respect for any live and ATK entertainers in the guild regardless of what they say. In time, they will use the buffbot over the ATK entertainer and prefer to do so. Keeps them from having to interact with a real person to get buffs and heals.
DarthKthuolhu
Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:17 pm
#7
--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:Hi...I'm looking for some tips anyone can offer about how to recruit "at the keyboard" entertainers. My guild on Corbantis has had very little luck with recruiting Entertainers.. The last Musician and Dancer that we recruited are still members of the guild.. but they both eventually dropped Dancer and musician for other skills.So I guess my second question would be.. After we have recruited an entertainer.. How do we keep them as entertainers? What can we do as a guild to keep them from getting bored with the profession?(( I will admit I'm the Musician, I dropped musician long before the Dancer joined...and she has not completly dropped it she is 4040 ))
I find that eh... Role-Playing with the Entertainer helps a bit.
Role-Play with them; then they'll in turn get into the habit of role-playing their Character, and as they do that, they'll find that they will start getting a LOT more tips as they slip into role-playing their character with their audience.
ImajiNashun
Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:24 pm
#8
Be glad to keep my eyes open for you Qilue, for entertainers/combatants. You all are a good group. I think you will have a hard time with finding this person and I think they will turn into a sortabot or be very unhappy if you aren't following all the above fantastic advice! (Be glad to have Elwyn and I fill in if you are wanting live buffers for a hunt, just let us know :smileyvery-happy
--Qilue-UCW--
Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:11 pm
#9
You sould JUST like a friend of mine...
DarthKthuolhu wrote:
I find that eh... Role-Playing with the Entertainer helps a bit.
Role-Play with them; then they'll in turn get into the habit of role-playing their Character, and as they do that, they'll find that they will start getting a LOT more tips as they slip into role-playing their character with their audience.
DarthKthuolhu
Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:21 pm
#10
--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:You sould JUST like a friend of mine...
DarthKthuolhu wrote:
I find that eh... Role-Playing with the Entertainer helps a bit.
Role-Play with them; then they'll in turn get into the habit of role-playing their Character, and as they do that, they'll find that they will start getting a LOT more tips as they slip into role-playing their character with their audience.
Hmmm... Gee, what a coincedence.
Upia
Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:42 am
#11
I'm probably going to be repeating what some other people said since I'm really too tired for posting
Anyway, my guild (IA - Imperial Army - on Chilastra)did something amazing.
They were going on a large base destruction event and I went there to buff them. Afterwards when everyone was receiving awards for their military efforts, they gave me a combat assistance award. I really didn't expect it and it made me very happy to know they appreciated me helping them. After all they could have just used a bot.
So, I guess making them feel needed and appreciated for being entertainers is the key. A lot of people don't ask for help because they don't want to bother you but at least I love the service part of the dancer profession and I love when someone asks me for help. Even if it's only to heal some battle fatigue.
I think anyone who joins a guild is looking to help people out, with crafting, fighting or anything. It's the same for entertainers. Try to make them feel like they are always being prioritized over afk entertainers. Maybe have a guild policy that all members should try to avoid afk entertainers.. smth like that..And when you find a suitable candidate, let them know you are looking for atk entertainers for your guild because you want them to be atk.
--Qilue-UCW--
Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:57 am
#12
Well it seems that I fibbed alittle lol.. we reciently had a Dancer/Pikeman and a Dancer/Musician .. alt...
Personally I don't care for bots... I always go to live ents otherwise I meditate and start Dancing Basic (I picked up Novice ent again so that if I could not find an ATK ent I could heal my own BF)
The problem with my guild is that its very goal oriented.. we have guild meetings and occasionally we hunt Krayt together, but otherwise its just chatting in guild chat.. and everyone does there own thing...
What I am hopeing to find is Entertainers who are not Pure entertainers... Half Entertainer and half combatant. so that they can hunt with guildmates and still retain the entertainer part of them as well.
Ikewe Said:
It's easy for live entertainers to feel worthless when guildchat reveals that people are using a buffbot.
That is very true.. part of the problem and the reason I dropped Musician was the fact that we also did not have Dancer.. It was just easer to go to a bot then to track me down get my Musician buff then gofind a dancer and get a dancer buff as well.
Drygo said:
"we'd really love an atk performer who can eventually take over the cantina or the theater." I think people would love having that as a goal.
Thats what got me into the guild I joined.. they did not have a cantina in their City and I wanted to be the one to place one... They even provided it free to me
spacedoggys
Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:48 am
#13
I would really see if there is new entertainers around in the most crowded cantinas. Help them and guide them through and get them introduced to other players.
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