Dancer Archive
Thread: Making Conversation
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FeistySheister
Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:49 pm
#1
K, I feel really dumb here, but my alt is a new dancer...and Im having issues talking to people. It seems that the only patrons that talk to me are the ones that think there's a cyber session in their future, and they communicate in tells. Or they run every flirtatious emote they have without saying a word. How in the world do you find a way to 'entertain' through this? So far the only people I like entertaining are the other entertainers in the cantina lol.
Else-Whira
Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:13 pm
#2
If you are an attractive female character in skimpy clothing most people are going to automatically be in the mood for /flirty emotes or the hope for cyber in the future... It's really up to you to make the conversation move off that kind of topic and on to something else. Try saying something funny or asking them questions, probe for what kind of chat they feel comfortable sharing with you. If they won't get off the cyber/flirty stuff just go into silent mode
Nothing says you have to try to talk everyone even the people that just think you are there for adult conversation.
Pappi
Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:16 pm
#3
hrm, I've never had a problem with that... but I do dress more conservatively than the rest of the cantina. I greet folks as they come in, or make comments about things ("wow, you have a lot of wounds, rough day?", or eyebrow them when they get too close). start up casual conversations, and if they try something naughty feel free to slap them and say you're not that kind of guy/girl. ignore folks when necessary, and just have fun
Isolde
Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:16 pm
#4
This is always a tricky one. For me I greet everyone as they come in, and comment on the state of their health. If someone comes in with a massive bar of wounds sympathise and say something like "You look like you went face first through a gorse bush" or something similar. They'll almost certainly tell you what actually happened and that will get your chatting about work.
With reguards to the cyber guys, get a dagger and start dancing with it. If they make an obvious comeon make comments to another dancer about how this rude guy in Coronet tried to make advances at you, and got his b*lls sliced off in the process (alter as you wish for personal taste). Or reply to any snogs or kisses with a slap and "I'm not that kind of girl".
This is slightly biased by the fact I'm a roleplayer, and always at least semi-ic while dancing.
If you think it's getting out of hand, send them a tell to stop. if they persist it's sexual harasment, and you can log a complaint with the CSR's.
(Note that I've never had the last happen to me, a slap and the dagger comments has always been enough to get them to behave. My personal responce if it did happen would be a tell asking him politely to stop, then a tell saying I really ment it, and if he continued I'd be forced to report him for harassment.)
With reguards to the cyber guys, get a dagger and start dancing with it. If they make an obvious comeon make comments to another dancer about how this rude guy in Coronet tried to make advances at you, and got his b*lls sliced off in the process (alter as you wish for personal taste). Or reply to any snogs or kisses with a slap and "I'm not that kind of girl".
This is slightly biased by the fact I'm a roleplayer, and always at least semi-ic while dancing.
If you think it's getting out of hand, send them a tell to stop. if they persist it's sexual harasment, and you can log a complaint with the CSR's.
(Note that I've never had the last happen to me, a slap and the dagger comments has always been enough to get them to behave. My personal responce if it did happen would be a tell asking him politely to stop, then a tell saying I really ment it, and if he continued I'd be forced to report him for harassment.)
FeistySheister
Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:21 pm
#5
Well, I am scantily clad, but thats because my exceptional mods are in my leo. I dont mind flirty emotes and whatnot, but it gets old when everything I say gets turned right back around to the gutter. I dont want to be silent, so I started ignoring tells and chatting in the spatial but it looks like Im talking to myself then lol. Ill just start using /addignore I guess.
Etdentarie
Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:21 pm
#6
Best way I got overly pushy guys to leave me alone is to have one of the male entertainers to pretend to be in IC boyfriend. I'm married ICly, but if the hubby isn't around it's very much out of sight out of mind.
Xyrdre
Sat Mar 12, 2005 8:18 pm
#7
Yep, one of the best ways to avoid the overly flirtatious / cyber-wishing stuff is simply not to present yourself as a sex object. I don't know if you do this, but if you yourself do a lot of flirty-type of stuff as part of your presentation, it typically sends out the message to others that that's how you'd like to be treated as well.Dancers alsoaren't required to wear exotic leotards and fleshwraps, you know.
There are full lines of very elegant, classy clothing that look great on the dance floor. It's all in the presentation, and in how that sets expectations in others.
Oh, and about the ones that only do so in tells? They're probably doing so because they wouldn't have the nerve to say those things in 'public', like spatial. In cases like that, sometimes responding to the tells in spatial, for all to hear, does just the trick by 'outting' them as a scumbag.
You know your server - depending on the types of other players around, you might find there's suddenly a lot of backup for you there in the cantina to run them off. Doesn't always work, but it's been known to in the right conditions.
Another thing that seems to help unwanted advances is to not only say that such behavior is unacceptable, but also stop dancing when you say it. When you stop dancing, it does really emphasize that you're serious, and in my personal experience it wakes people up right away. Well, except in the truly dense or callous, for whom the /report function may well have been created.
Ikewe
Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:27 pm
#8
I also roleplay a more "reserved" entertainer. I have to second the use of the /eyebrow emote. I've found it instantly conveys a "back off" message when guys get too familiar. My usual encounter goes something along the lines of:
-patron pays me a compliment or whistles appreciatively
-I blush
often that interchange is enough to give the message that cyber is not an optionbut if they persist then the /eyebrow has worked roughly 99% of the time
-patron licks me
-I raise an eyebrow at patron (I may also add some other action such as /push, /frownor something more tailored... "Ikewe clenches her fist..")
I've had two or three people not get the hint from that. So they earned either a /punch or I simply stopped dancing and left. As I was the only entertainer in the cantina, the rest of the patrons quickly lost their patience with the offending dork and took care ofthe problem for me.
I've never had to use the /addignore feature for overly familiar patrons. The best advice is to take control and steer them away. Gently at first but don't hesitate to assert yourself.
good luck and hang in there.
Ikewe
spacedoggys
Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:17 am
#9
lol, tbh i play the silly dancer and i kinda like that.
And i buff peoples mind by using footloose 
Caerwynn
Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:01 am
#10
I don't flirt in the cantinas, I chat and usually start by asking patrons if they have been hunting/had a busy day, as you might RL. I only wear a leotard to buff and wouldn't be seen dead in a fleshwrap, so unflattering. I do wear skimpy clothes, Poplock2 for example is much better when you are wearing hotpants/shorts with boots. a light bustier, ubese shirt or revealing top, it's important for the dance flourishes to be able to see the hands and feet properly.
My char is a feisty red head and I do get dodgy tells, but I usually reply by pointing out that I'm not that type of girl and that I'm engaged IG. I've found that people generally treat you as you treat them.
Mystyrys
Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:30 am
#11
Hmm. I dress how I like, or to suit the type of dance I am doing. What the patron chooses to infer based on that is up to them. My demeanor is friendly, not so much flirtatious. Definitely not risque. I greet, ask how their day is going, and improvise from there, depending on what they say or not. I really kinda like the ones that just emote. The shy, quiet ones. Nods, shrugs, smiles and the like. Getting them to respond is a challenging game in itself 
But just tonight I had a person ask me what he should tip. I gave him the standard, "whatever you can afford..." After a moment he said he'd tip me if I kissed him. I told him I didn't sell my kisses. He then said that I looked like that kind ofbird by the way I was dressed. (I was wearing a patterned slip dress) Isaid, "Excuse me? I amnot that kind of girl." Then just for spite, I put on a longsleeved gown and matching padded helmet. Very conservative outfit. He frowned and said, "Now you're not. Okay, then I'll flip a coin. Heads you get a tip, tails you get nothing." And then he performed a few rude emotes.
I stopped dancing. Smacktard says, "Don't stop dancing on my account! Come on, move!" My partner and guild mate told him, "I'd show her a little more respect if I were you." And chuckled. Smacktard laughed. And said a couple more rude things.
I popped a brandy and a kiwi swirl, equipped my VKs and switched to my Master TK title. And stepped up close to him. "Perhaps I misunderstood what you just said." He was a Novice Brawler, no title, no guild, no badges. And in his newbie clothes. He never said a word. He just turned and ran out of the cantina.
/shakefist
Even ugly conversations can be interesting. 
Rabenschwinge
Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:18 am
#12
As I percieve it, being a cantina dancer implies a certain amount of flirting and playing around. So I don't mind that too much, but it is not alright if that makes people believe they can't fiddle around with you. No matter wether wether Twi'lek, Rhodian or Wookie, wether male or female, for must of us it is important to be found attractive...
I do flirt (Even use emotes like /wink, /batlashes, /innocent and sometimes even /blowkiss myself) with people who seem to know the limits, if they don't I make them clear.
If someone is right next to me I always talk in spatial even in reply to tells. When someone gets to close, I use /eyebrow or /frown at them, or even do "/neutral I would appreciate you keeping your distance, you know?". For some people, espacially the kind that you describe, not saying a word that doesn't help. Then you got no other way to make perfectly clear that this kind of appreciated isn't welcome at all. "/cool Keep your fingers to yourself and get gone. I am not your doll!".
I admit I am not above using my titles (such as alliance ace pilot, lieutenant or master fencer), may social connection (like the Jedi I was just chatting with or something like this) or even my stun baton to further make clear my point, even though that isn't actually wise.
Helpful to actually onverse with people is trying to find out what adventures lay passed them, how they got there wounds (for example someone with BF and health wounds, but no other wounds on Tatooine has quite likely just visited the rift of sarlac), their guild, their choice of outfit, bios, name, titles... If all that doesn't help it sometimes helps to talk about yourself and try to make a bridge to the patron. For example if the patron won't talk but bears the mark of intellect (*sigh*) talk about when you were in the squill cave and ask him/her innocently if (s)he ever was there. Or if someone displays a faction title talking 'bout the war might be helpful (espacially if it is a member of the opposite faction and you believe you might lure hints to their bases locations or plans out of him/her, but I wouldn't push that, just let it flow).
It ain't always easy to get people talking, sometimes it even seems as an art. But after all we are entertainer and at least I percieve it as part of the profession to make people enjoy themselves and share their stories.
What I believe is helpful is hanging around with entertainer friends. If you feel not that sure people find that out quickly. If you have friends around you'll feel much saver and can deal with more difficult situations smoothly.
I do flirt (Even use emotes like /wink, /batlashes, /innocent and sometimes even /blowkiss myself) with people who seem to know the limits, if they don't I make them clear.
If someone is right next to me I always talk in spatial even in reply to tells. When someone gets to close, I use /eyebrow or /frown at them, or even do "/neutral I would appreciate you keeping your distance, you know?". For some people, espacially the kind that you describe, not saying a word that doesn't help. Then you got no other way to make perfectly clear that this kind of appreciated isn't welcome at all. "/cool Keep your fingers to yourself and get gone. I am not your doll!".
I admit I am not above using my titles (such as alliance ace pilot, lieutenant or master fencer), may social connection (like the Jedi I was just chatting with or something like this) or even my stun baton to further make clear my point, even though that isn't actually wise.
Helpful to actually onverse with people is trying to find out what adventures lay passed them, how they got there wounds (for example someone with BF and health wounds, but no other wounds on Tatooine has quite likely just visited the rift of sarlac), their guild, their choice of outfit, bios, name, titles... If all that doesn't help it sometimes helps to talk about yourself and try to make a bridge to the patron. For example if the patron won't talk but bears the mark of intellect (*sigh*) talk about when you were in the squill cave and ask him/her innocently if (s)he ever was there. Or if someone displays a faction title talking 'bout the war might be helpful (espacially if it is a member of the opposite faction and you believe you might lure hints to their bases locations or plans out of him/her, but I wouldn't push that, just let it flow).
It ain't always easy to get people talking, sometimes it even seems as an art. But after all we are entertainer and at least I percieve it as part of the profession to make people enjoy themselves and share their stories.
What I believe is helpful is hanging around with entertainer friends. If you feel not that sure people find that out quickly. If you have friends around you'll feel much saver and can deal with more difficult situations smoothly.
Treena_Daal
Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:21 am
#13
I usually start with "Hi". If the person comes in regularly, I usually greet them by name, and ask about something they mentioned last time they were in (if I can remember anything). I've had a few flirts, and some guy on Tuesday was asking me for a "Private Dance" (I don't know why, I don't want to know why), but it hasn't happened too often. Interestingly, the number of people flirting with me actually increased when I started to wear more clothing (Imp uniform pants + Imp uniform boots + white trim lined shirt = very nice Jareth-esque costume). My guess on that is that people assume that most dancers in very skimpy clothing are played by guys, so when I started to dress in more covering outfits it must have kicked some sort of subconcious guy-brain thingy and made them say "Hey, she's actually a girl!". Or something, I don't know. I have enough trouble understanding how I think, much less guys.
Attempting to get back on topic, just talk to them. If they flirt too much, ignore them. Or point them at a dance-bot. The dance-bot in my cantina usually gets all the /licks and such. Maybe that's why they don't bother me. They're too busy licking her.
Attempting to get back on topic, just talk to them. If they flirt too much, ignore them. Or point them at a dance-bot. The dance-bot in my cantina usually gets all the /licks and such. Maybe that's why they don't bother me. They're too busy licking her.
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