Dancer Archive
Thread: Our role has changed and now I feel useless
I'm not sure that this is really the same case, but I think it's really considerate of you to think of others. 
If Esh decides to do this, I'll probably spam the thread from both sides, heh. 
Thats really a very good idea....
It would help with the new posts every other day..
I understand people are unhappy.. I didn't really see the need to remove BF myself, but it happend and there is nothing I cando about it.. so.. I have only one choice asI see things...
Continue to try and have fun in what ever way I can given what there is.
Perhaps I see it differently than all of you, but I do not see much, "entertainers are useless" rhetoric as anything that is negative. In fact, far from it. I see the majority of such posts as being genuinely concerned with our future, and standing behind us in solidarity as players just like them.
This is something we have lacked for a long, long time. We used to be the enemy of players. Now, we are objects of their concern. And that, my dancing friends, is the first step toward fostering a positive relationship between patrons and performers.
If theplayers came here and said, "LOL! UR finaey gettng wht u deserve! U dont desrve 2 b ina MMO! LOL," I would take that as a negative commentary. But the vast majority of patrons are not making posts like that. And the ones that do make hateful comments toward us are usually delt with quite harshly from those outside our ranks. Ifour detractorsreally intended to drive their point home, wouldn't they say something like, "those lousy ents got what they deserved," rather than, "poor ents. I fear for their profession?"
It is actually very nice to finally get some concern for us. And I would argue that it is the same concern they had all along toward us. We all were just too distracted toappreciate it--on both sides of the stage--until now.
It's easy to get offended when people say we're "useless," especially after putting up with what we've put up with the past two years. The bots certainly made me feel useless, and I resented that. I don't feel useless anymore. In fact, because I know for a fact that the bots are currently useless, it gives me great joy and a sense of empowerment. Even if that joy comes malicious hateful feelings that I have for the bots, it still makes me feel good. 
But, I have to say, I agree with Sirii on this one. Except for the obvious former bots who are pissed that they are useless (which I love seeing, my evil side just loooooves it.), most of the people have been expressing concern. And, I like that. It's nice to see more people coming onto the forums, not just dancer, but the various galaxy forums and posting those concerns. It's more numbers for us. Whether they're entertainers or not, it's more voices for us. And, that's a good thing. And, it's helped to restore my faith in the player community. So, I really hesitate to jump all over anyone for saying that we're "useless." Because, except for the bots and they're supporters, the people who say this mean well. They may not phrase it the way we'd like. And, they may bring back bad memories of me feeling useless for so long because of the bots, and all the resentment that came along with that. But, the reality is, most of them are on our side. So, let's treat them with some respect. Those are the people that deserve it.
Message Edited by Ikewe on 07-28-2005 10:01 AM
PoetDancer wrote:Perhaps I see it differently than all of you, but I do not see much, "entertainers are useless" rhetoric as anything that is negative.
The reason why I view these as negative is because of the history of the people posting them. They're not people, by and large, who've supported live entertaining for the past 2 years. They're the people who've supported bots for the last two years. The same combat people who are posting their "condolences" now are the ones who drove us to this point.
They're people who view us as worthless because they view a bot as the epitome of "entertainment." And THAT'S what I find offensive.
I do not have much evidence of this. In fact, bots really haven't done anything special since before May.
I don't really see it too much here, but I see it all around this forum: be it the profession boards, the general boards, or the various "core system" boards.
Make no mistake. A buffbot supporter isn't a supporter because they think the profession should exist. A buffbot supporter is someone who believes it was a mistake to include these professions at all. Not only that, but they are without shame in making this known to anyone who will listen.
They have no tears for us, the buffbot supporters. Even buffbot owners may breate a sigh of relief that they no longer need to keep an account open.
I guess Ifail at being super girly. *cries*
Panthu wrote:
Now, I do now that guild bots are often female. Even the chat bot I used to run in AO was a little cutie girl named Pernot and I used to send her these really funny "hey big boy" lines to say in guild chat. She was sort of like the guild pet. So, maybe people just want their bots to stay super super girly and they think Dancer does that best.
Shaizann wrote:
I guess Ifail at being super girly. *cries*
Aww, you don't fail! /comfort
*snickers*