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Im 1.0.0.1 in dancer atm if I am remebering correctly and my question is about buffs.

I was just dancing away on the grind grouped with some combat guildies. After about maybe 5-10min of me healing there bf and wounds they stop watching and they had a 1 hour and 220 strength mind buff. I was proud that I could mind buff but I could tell they were less than happy they'd have to wait an hour till they could get a good buff.

If I group with people will I automaticlly buff em?

Also what is the command that I see ents do to direct a buff to a person you are not grouped with?

Oh also at what intervals do I need to flourish to do the buffs as well as I can?

Thanks alot!

Well for good buffs you need to get master dancer. If you group with someone and they watch you the will get buffed and /setperform is how you buff without grouping but you cant target anything else if you do/setperform until the buff is done. And just flourish at least 10 or 20 times

for future reference, you will automatically buff someone in your group if you have at least novice dancer or musician, and they're watching or listening to you. if they don't want the buff, just have them ungroup before they start listening to you

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Evaa wrote:
Well for good buffs you need to get master dancer. If you group with someone and they watch you the will get buffed and /setperform is how you buff without grouping but you cant target anything else if you do/setperform until the buff is done. And just flourish at least 10 or 20 times

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A few points of contention:

What makes a buff "good" is subjective - better wording would be that for the strongest potency buffs, you need to get master dancer (and 25 points worth of mind enhancement skill tapes). There are many people for whom a 10% is quite good.

/setperform is indeed the command to buff someone without needing to be grouped with them, however, you do not need to target the person getting buffed the whole time, nor at all, for it to work. Perhaps I'm misreading the wording and you mean to say that doing a /setperform on someone else will stop the original person's buff. However, you do not need to target someone for /setperform to work (you can use /setperform characterName to start a buff without targetting the person in the first place).

Finally, flourishing only 10 or 20 times will yield a very short duration buff. For the maximum duration of 2 hours, you'll want to flourish closer to 120 times. The minimum time needed to provide the maximum duration buff is just over 3 minutes, which will require a very large usage of action - if you can't keep up with that cost of action, and flourish at a more leisurely pace, 10-20 minutes would probably be a guesstimate of how long it would take to reach the maximum duration buff.

Message Edited by Aleyo on 12-16-2004 11:32 AM

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Evaa wrote:
Well for good buffs you need to get master dancer. If you group with someone and they watch you the will get buffed and /setperform is how you buff without grouping but you cant target anything else if you do/setperform until the buff is done. And just flourish at least 10 or 20 times

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Well, what I'm sureScip meant to say was that for the greatest percentage of buffing bonus, Mastery is where it's at. A Novice Dancer can buff for a full two hour duration, but the percentage bonus to the recipient's base mind will only be 10%. A Master buff will improve base Mind by 100%.

Correct that the /setperform command is how you direct a buff. You can either target the player and type /setperform, or as Scip said, you can just type /setperform (character name), and it all works out just fine.Incorrect is that you must keep them targeted for the entire duration.. that's just not true. Once the /setperform isdirected, you can target whatever else you feel like, or nothing at all. What you can't do is /setperform someone (or something) else, or the new one will stop the buffing process on previous /setperform-ees.

On the flourishing thing.. I'd flourish at least 120 times. That seems to be the magic number to reach full-duration buffs though. You can take a look at Tiaga's wonderful work on the subject of the mechanics and hard numbers of buffing in this thread... Tiaga's one of those legends that we're all glad was always on our side. /wave Tiaga.

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Xyrdre wrote:

Well, what I'm sure Scip meant to say was that for the greatest percentage of buffing bonus, Mastery is where it's at.

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Lol. Wow, can't believe I mistyped that. Even just now, as I read your correction, and went back to see what I'd written, I thought "but duration means the power of the buff!" and then quickly slapped myself in the head when the non-stupid part of me told me "you fool, duration has to do with time, not with power".
So yeah, my vocabulary went stupid for a bit there , sorry about that, and thanks for the catch, Deila.

Message Edited by SFXGenesis on 12-16-2004 09:40 AM

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SFXGenesis wrote:

All the answers are good here, and they're all right...but I have a related question...

I use a new macro to buff in two minutes flat, using no more action cost than my normal macro did...is this some big secret, or do you guys just keep it out of the forums so that buffbots don't get it? (That is exactly why I'm not posting specifics here).

I can buff both mind and dance together in four minutes flat. Like I said, I'm not putting details...but it can be done. I hope this isn't actually something that nobody knew about...

Let me know. I'm curious who knew about this.

Thanks,

Dan

Edit: The buffs I give in two minutes flat are full potency, full 2 hour duration. Just wanted to make that perfectly clear.

Message Edited by SFXGenesis on 12-16-2004 09:40 AM

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I don’t mind admitting I don’t know how to in 2 minutes.
My pause is 210 which is little longer then needed for 3.2 min buff but helps me to compensate for a random flo lost due to lag.
I guess I believe in rather being safe then sorry by adding little extra time

Deli'ah

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SFXGenesis wrote:

All the answers are good here, and they're all right...but I have a related question...

I use a new macro to buff in two minutes flat, using no more action cost than my normal macro did...is this some big secret, or do you guys just keep it out of the forums so that buffbots don't get it? (That is exactly why I'm not posting specifics here).

I can buff both mind and dance together in four minutes flat. Like I said, I'm not putting details...but it can be done. I hope this isn't actually something that nobody knew about...

Let me know. I'm curious who knew about this.

Thanks,

Dan

Edit: The buffs I give in two minutes flat are full potency, full 2 hour duration. Just wanted to make that perfectly clear.

Message Edited by SFXGenesis on 12-16-2004 09:40 AM

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I was trying to get a buff from a dancer a few weeks ago and she told me that she could do the same thing. I didn't believe her, but I humored her and stopped watching after 2 minutes, and the buff didn't take. And, then she was asking me to do all sorts of things and I didn't have time for it, so I just left. heh...

But, is this actually true? If it is, I'd like to know how you do it.

If it isn't using any more action tha normal, you might want to check that they are getting the full 2 hour buff. There may or may not be ways to do it faster (And even if I did know a way I wouldn't even mention I did, as that's enough for someone to start looking into how), but if there were I couldn't condone using them, as it is not the way the system is meant to work. If you just flourish more, you won't really be doing the flourishes, so they don't count. Popular theory says do 5 flourishes every 8 seconds, but in reality 5 every 10 seconds is the max. So 1/5 those flourishes don't do anything for the buff and don't cost any action. However it's harmless adding in the extras and the shorter pause can help in situations where lag is a problem, so I rarely point out the innaccuracy of the 8 seconds.

(Of course, after talking to Keldarin I found out that buffing for 2 hours in group any faster than 20 minutes is also not intended, group buffs are supposed to take a lot longer than directed buffs, but that's besides the point.)

Thank you very much everyone, Tiaga's post was also very helpful!

I know what the secret is to the shorter buff. It's been around for a few months I think. I've known about it for a while, and I thought it was a not a well kept "secret". I don't really use it myself - I guess I figure that they might change it soon, but apparently they haven't. I also try to make my action last a longer for when I'm not buffed and don't want to use any accaragm. The bot owners probably know about it too, though it will eat up action faster so they probably aren't going to use it for that reason. I don't think most bots even try to buff in 3 minutes, but generally do 5-10 minutes, don't they?