Dancer Archive

Thread: must stop reading!

Tangleweb
Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:34 am
#1

i need to take a break from the forums... it seems that everynight i play until logout, then i come over to the boards to see what new travesty has befallen my chosen profession(s), and to peruse the brainstorming for ways to fix it, and i get discouraged. not because of the travesty, but because of the reactions to the travesty. when i'm playing, i love this game. i'll play for 18 hours in a row if i can. figuring out new combinations of flourishes, new outfits to wear, scheming schems, whatever and be content. but when 5 am (mountain time, i live in montana) rolls around and the galaxy implodes and it's time for me to get my last swg fixi head tothe forums. and i read.


and by 6 am i'm almost ready to cancel my account.


why is that? even i don't know all the reasons i feel that way. but i don know some of the reasons. the big one being the animosity that floods to my computer with every click on a new post. there is so much anger and hate, floating freely around these threads. from players of other professions, who think our profession is boring and dumb and that we bitched too much and are greedy/lazy. from ourselves towards other professions, because they are dimwitted, nincompoops that fail to realize how difficult it is to be a "true" performer. from us to others that play our professions, because they but don't play them the way we think they should be played. whine, whine, cuss, complain, if it's not one thing it's another. i'm tired of it. i don't like to feel the way i do after i get done on the forums.


i didn't decide to be an entertainer to be a militant! i chose it cuz it sounded fun. and reading the forums takes the fun away. so until this place starts being fun again, i'm taking a break. i'm going to play the game and be blissfully ignorant to the problems that will keep the rest of you up banging your heads against the wall. and you know what else? i'll be having fun while you do it!


see you someday,


Rosaria Caroleema

aha... ah screw it, no sig today!






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Vorpaks
Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:48 am
#2

I know how you feel. I banned myself from the buff bot threads and now I am feeling much better. When I was finally reduced to tears of frustration I knew I was taking it TOO SERIOUSLY. No one needs to be put through that in their relaxation time.

You may want to try selective reading instead of not reading at all. Honestly, I think that must be the hardest part of being a correspondent. Having to read all this stuff and not throw in the towel. Kudos to you corr guys.

Another thing I do when I get too discouraged is go and read someone else's profession board for a while. Thats why I have so many characters - I start reading and I just can't resist trying it out for myself. I remember that after the ID revamp (when the board went down in a flaming wreck) I read through the Architect thread, thinking it was probably the profession I had the least amount of interest in. When I got home that evening I created Iosan on Bria to start going up to Master Arch, Master DE, Master Art because I was so fascinated. (This was before you Cantina Crawlers sucked me in! Now I have to convert my Flurry character hehe).

There are a lot of great stuff on these forums, which I am sure you know already, the trick is to drop a thread like a hot potato when it starts going down-hill. (I'm still practising this lol)

Message Edited by Vorpaks on 08-20-2004 08:49 AM



Paks
Master Ranger/Master Creature Handler
-I support ATK play

therealzizz
Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:36 am
#3

Not that my opinion matters much, but I agree with you 100%




zizz
Warryyr
Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:26 am
#4






therealzizz wrote:

Not that my opinion matters much, but I agree with you 100%




zizz







Everyone's opinion matters. If it didn't the world would be tragically boring.


Sorry if I contributed to the negativity around here, but I really blew my top about the whole Village thing. We soooo got screwed in that. And it's pretty sad, considering all we've endured from this Dev team thus far.


Here's to making the Entertainer forums troll-free and positive in tone for the remainder of our days *hoists pint glass*


Morrigania
Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:55 am
#5

Well said Rosaria!


I know exactly how you feel, even I don't post often. I am well aware that because mystance varies some from the prescribed view my opionions/thoughts/presence on the dancer boards are neither wanted nor welcomed. So I keep my mouth shut and carry on dancing and enjoying myself, come hell, high water, or buffbots.



So'fe Sose

Founding Member of BladeRunners

I am what I choose to be. I have always been what I chose...
although not always what I pleased.

Once an unique player in an unique world.
Now just a cookie cutter avatar in a cookie cutter game.

Morrigania
Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:57 am
#6

and if I had more coffee before I did post, maybe I wouldn't leave out words...



So'fe Sose

Founding Member of BladeRunners

I am what I choose to be. I have always been what I chose...
although not always what I pleased.

Once an unique player in an unique world.
Now just a cookie cutter avatar in a cookie cutter game.

rayill
Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:40 am
#7

Very well said, Rosaria. Ifyou don't feel you can come here and read without feeling bad, then I think you're making a good decision. Take a break from the forums, and just enjoy the game like you have been. We'll do our best here to make this enjoyable for you to come to again!


And, So'fe, to hell with whether or not your opinions match the "prescribed" view. If we all agreed all the time, there would be no spice in life!



Rayill Yi'tun
Master Dancer
- I support ATK people and playstyles
Morrigania
Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:58 am
#8

"This is just a game. I don't have to be your friend in or out of the game. "


*points up*


I love that.



So'fe Sose

Founding Member of BladeRunners

I am what I choose to be. I have always been what I chose...
although not always what I pleased.

Once an unique player in an unique world.
Now just a cookie cutter avatar in a cookie cutter game.

rayill
Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:59 am
#9

Hehe, that has been my response to people acting as if you must love, worship, or be friends with them just because they are in the game. I'll be nice most of the time, but there is nothing in the EULA that states that I have to be friends with anyone in game.



Rayill Yi'tun
Master Dancer
- I support ATK people and playstyles
Morrigania
Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:05 pm
#10

heheh my ignore list is far longer than my friends list..



So'fe Sose

Founding Member of BladeRunners

I am what I choose to be. I have always been what I chose...
although not always what I pleased.

Once an unique player in an unique world.
Now just a cookie cutter avatar in a cookie cutter game.

therealzizz
Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:25 pm
#11


"Here's to making the Entertainer forums troll-free and positive in tone for the remainder of our days *hoists pint glass*"



oye!



Morrigania
Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:55 pm
#12

*raises glass*


Hear! Hear!



So'fe Sose

Founding Member of BladeRunners

I am what I choose to be. I have always been what I chose...
although not always what I pleased.

Once an unique player in an unique world.
Now just a cookie cutter avatar in a cookie cutter game.

Drygo
Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:14 pm
#13


Rosaria, I meant to post this earlier but didn't get a chance to. But, yes, I also know how you feel. For me, in any online game I've ever played, the forums have been an integral part of me enjoying a game. So much so, that if the game I played didn't have a forum, I'd more than likely not be nearly as interested in playing. I love hearing about the new stuff, and talking about the new stuff, and game philosophy and game chatter. It's all part of the experience for me and I greatly value having forums because of that.


However, there are times where they depress me greatly. I know I've brought this up before, but back a couple weeks when I got into an argument on the Kettemoor forums, it got me really upset and depressed. So much so that I nearly cancelled again. I hated the fighting and the bitterness and the downright cruelty that was expressed towards myself and others. I try very hard, even when I disagree with someone, to respect them. I don't always succeed, but I really do try. Unfortunately, there are just some people that don't give a crap, or even some people that actually *enjoy* being verbally abusive and cruel to others. These are obviously sad and bitter individuals that aren't worth the time of day. Yet, the words still sting. I'm guilty of the same thing you are. That is, after an enjoyable gaming session, I'll "wind down" by reading the forums. And, when I tell myself I'm only coming on here for 10 minutes to catch up and see what's going on, I end up spending 2 or 3 hours reading and posting. I get to bed far too late. I go to work on 6 hours of sleep (this from someone who literally needs 9 to feel happy). It's not good, it's not healthy, yet I do it anyway.


The only way I think we differ about this is that you say that you can go into game for several hours and have a lot of fun. Well, for me, that is true in many respects as well. However, as someone who feels that an integral part of gameplay is being able to go to the NPC Cantina's (yes, I really enjoy them!), performing in the public venues, talking to the group, selling my services, etc., the game often takes on a facet where I literally am not having fun playing either. I hate hate hate going into Coronet and dealing with the spam, and more importantly, the buffbot there. I feel I should never be forced to leave my venue of choice on that particular night because the buffbot takes away all my business. People are constantly saying, "well, there are other places to go." I realize that, obviously. I'm not stupid. But, I still maintain that I shouldn't have to if I don't want to! The same people that accuse people like myself of trying to tell them how to play, don't realize the hypocrisy that their displaying. The fact of the matter is, when they choose to play (and I use the term loosely, because afk is *not* play) the way they play, they take away *my* right to play the way I want to play. It angers me, and I feel, wrong or right, that I *must* be militant about it. Believe me, I don't *want* to be a militant either. Or, rather if I choose to be "militant" than I do so by using my combat skills as an ingame outlet. But, I don't want to feel like I have to fight all the time just to be viable playing my chosen profession in my chosen venue.


Competition is fine. If there are live players offering a better service or competing and I have to leave in order to get business, that's fine. That's how the game is meant to be played. But, afk buffbots take that away from me because I know that I can never be as good as a 23/7 dual musician/dancer buffbot. I just can't. And, quite frankly, I shouldn't have to. They shouldn't be allowed to do this in the game. That's my opinion on the matter. So, I can't just stand by and let people drive me out. I have to fight. My personality does not allow me to do otherwise.


So, as long as I'm here, I will continue to fight. The only way I stop fighting is when I stop playing. I wish it didn't have to be that way. But, I completely understand how you feel. It sucks. I hate having these feelings of hatred and bitterness over the state of our profession. I want to be able to go into the game and enjoy it. But, I know that I can never do that until the buffbots are gone. So, I come to the forums, and I read, and I post, and I get angry. I wish I could take a break. But, I can't because every time that I step foot into Coronet and have to deal with our resident buffbot there, I get angry. So, I have to come here and read, and post, and get angry. And, the cycle continues. At some point it takes a toll. It did once and quit. But, I resubscribed when I saw that ray of hope when the recursive macro post was made by TH. And, I felt a responsibility to go into that post, no holds barred and add my voice to those in support of the end of unattended gameplay. For if I didn't, and if others of us didn't, then all TH would have seen was post after post after post of complaint. And, all that would do is make them possibly reverse their decision. And, the decision is far far too important to reverse. I can't let that happen without a fight. Because all I really want is to be able to love this game again, and I think that is a distinct possibility again. My hope has been renewed despite all the bickering and the verbal abuse displayed by some people.


But, yeah, believe me, sometimes I wonder if it's worth it. And, if taking a break from the forums works for you, then by all means, do it! I think that's great! I just know it won't work for me. So, I have to weigh the positives and negatives, just like with anything else in life. And, right now, to me, I have to be here.

Message Edited by Drygo on 08-20-2004 07:17 PM



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