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Thread: Can a dancer buff self?

Mordifyr
Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:37 pm
#1

Subject says it all. I don't know if it is possible and if so how can I buff myself? I have tried everything and have been unable to get mindbuffs from myself. If you aren't able to I don't know why not doc's can buff themselves why not dancers/musicians....



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Tralmek
Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:46 pm
#2

So far, the best answer we've gotten is from Thunderheart: Giving Dancers/Musicians the ability to buff themselves would be unbalancing due to the fact that they receive healing xp from buffing.

We also know from other accounts that The Entertainer buffing system is very unstable and difficult code and they don't like messing with it. So, the chance of getting aself-buff ability for Entertainers is not good at this time....




Sorry to bear such disappointing news.




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Xyrdre
Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:46 pm
#3



No, we can't. We've been given several reasons... *cough* excuses *cough*... as to why we aren't allowed to buff ourselves, including that we would get too much healing XP, that the code just can't support it, that it would take away from interdependency, and that we just can't yet. My guess is that the jury's still out on this one. We're trying.






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Mordifyr
Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:04 pm
#4

Well that sucks....what would doc's do if they couldn't buff selfs? Master BH couldn't track down a target by him/herself? That is crap I'm sure they could do it like healing where if you heal self you get no XP ,so you can buff self and get no XP that seems so far fetched. I am a master Dancer/Musician and leave like no skill points for anything else....and seems like I can help others but not myself that is way out there....Kinda hard to get buffs when all you can find are doc's and no dancers/musicians at odd hours yet I can buff away hundereds and have to search for an hour to buff myself.....Way to go SOE ...Lets make chefs not able to eat what they make and WS's not able to use the weapons they make same with AS'S Archs ect....that is crap I play a class to help others but can't help myself???? I do buffs both dance/music for 4k and find dancer and dancer only and am stuck paying him 5k for 1 buff? that is BS but what can I say =(


Hope some compromise can be made soon that is whacked.



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Devika
Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:23 pm
#5






Tralmek wrote:

So far, the best answer we've gotten is from Thunderheart: Giving Dancers/Musicians the ability to buff themselves would be unbalancing due to the fact that they receive healing xp from buffing.

We also know from other accounts that The Entertainer buffing system is very unstable and difficult code and they don't like messing with it. So, the chance of getting aself-buff ability for Entertainers is not good at this time....




Sorry to bear such disappointing news.







omg, THAT was the excuse from TH?


WTH, doctors get healing xp from buffing, just not from buffing themselves. Why wouldn't the same apply to entertainers?


/slap Thunderheart


Geez I could have made a better excuse then that.





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Tralmek
Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:09 pm
#6





Devika wrote:



Tralmek wrote:

We also know from other accounts that The Entertainer buffing system is very unstable and difficult code and they don't like messing with it. So, the chance of getting aself-buff ability for Entertainers is not good at this time....




Sorry to bear such disappointing news.





omg, THAT was the excuse from TH?.


WTH, doctors get healing xp from buffing, just not from buffing themselves. Why wouldn't the same apply to entertainers?


/slap Thunderheart


Geez I could have made a better excuse then that.





Clickied for convenience. Scroll down to the musicians' answer. Keep in mind that we were already mad because TH told our correspondants to give him a question later in the week, so the entertainment professions' questions are ones TH pulled for himself from somewhere.... You'll notice he tells us that buff timers will not display in the customer's window. Sometimes I wonder if they ever unlock TH's closet so he can actually play the game.


Actually, docs don't get xp for buffing themselves, but I checked xp for buffing as a Master Musician. I was able to collect xp for 17 tics. In that 2 min 50 seconds I got 100 xp before it stopped. That means that if we were able to buff ourselves, we could make 100 healingxp about every 2 hours...that doesn't seem like much in the big scheme of things.

Message Edited by Tralmek on 08-21-2004 08:23 PM




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Bhelzebub
Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:36 pm
#7






Tralmek wrote:


That means that if we were able to buff ourselves, we could make 100 healingxp about every 2 hours...





OMG I totally understand why dancers can't buff themselves, this would be away too powerful exp source IMO, really unbalancing compared to the horror a TKA or an Artisan have to do




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Panthu
Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:30 pm
#8

That answer wasn't from TH. It was from the Dev who knows our code best... and don't slap TH anyway, he bruises. /tsk


The same Dev has said in the past that he would like to rewrite our buffing code completely and at that time, he could put in self buffing. Perhaps there will be time during the CB, greater CR, or post-CR. Tiaga, NewJedi, and myself keep this issue pretty high on our list and bug the Devs as often as they will stand it about this.




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CirCes
Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:05 am
#9

And yet...a Doc can self buff...go figure? How is that unbalancing....for a dancer or musician to self-buff? I realize my words will go unheeded on this board..as the Devs never visit here.


BUT...when you are buffing your whole group..for a hunt...and you are the only one ever and always not to have a mind buff...you have to drink brandy instead..........



Tell me one good reason why its not unbalancing for a Doc to self buff...and yet unbalancing for a Dancer or a Musician to self-buff?? This puts us at a DELIBERATE disadvantage...in my view. Same with the stupidity in the scout camps. EVERYONE gets bf. Why in the name of all thats holy......should anyone have to run all over several planets looking for an entertainer..to heal bf..when the camps ..allow entertainers to buff there? Shouldn't the mind set follow suit..that if we can mind buff..we can heal bf??? I would like to meet the person that thought this winner up. sheesh How to make our profession useless...and unwanted.


People ask me all the time in starports...can I buff them..can I heal their bf. I say sorry...would you like to run all the way back to the cantina with me so I can do that for you? Thats ridiculous. We are cooped up there with all the afk spam and those mindless buffbots. How would you like to spend hours on end..scrunched in a room that resembles the land of the living dead???



Time for a change guys...give us some worth here in the eyes of our customers. The way it is set up now..is not convenient for anyone .,...and fix our dances..fix our music...give us some variety...the music and dance after awhile becomes mind boggling...BORING!!! I turn off the sound on SWG now and play ACDC or something with a real beat...or bang to it.


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Panthu
Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:46 am
#10






CirCes wrote:

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Well other than the ACDC, just about every regular poster in here has said this at one time or another. I don't know why we can't get these things. I guess it's time for me to do another big poll to take back to the Devs.





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Devika
Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:19 am
#11

Ok ok, I retract the /slap


/spank TH


No no no, wait that's not right either.


I give up.


/hugs a dev since violence is not working


**on a side note, I said that dr's could buff themselves, but they do NOT get healingxp from it**






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Panthu
Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:48 am
#12






Devika wrote:


**on a side note, I said that dr's could buff themselves, but they do NOT get healingxp from it**



Yeah, it seems our code isn't really anything a like.


Though, one solution seems to be to make self buffing tied to a Master Level command so the XP wouldn't be a factor. I'm not sure what would be wrong with that. Maybe I can get an answer at the Corr Summit.






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Aleyo
Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:01 am
#13



Panthu wrote:


Devika wrote:
**on a side note, I said that dr's could buff themselves, but they do NOT get healing xp from it**

Yeah, it seems our code isn't really anything a like.

Though, one solution seems to be to make self buffing tied to a Master Level command so the XP wouldn't be a factor. I'm not sure what would be wrong with that. Maybe I can get an answer at the Corr Summit.





*Ahem*
*points at FS xp conversion tables*
/frown




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