Dancer Archive
Thread: Cheats, Walkthroughs, and AFK Macros
Brand new to this board, but I'm starting to pick up a central thought here, and a single question keeps coming to my mind:
What if I have no interest whatsoever in pursuing Master Dancer beyond what is necessary to fulfill a holocron quest? Does that change your opinion of me as an AFK macro user?
While I fully understand (and completely agree, by the way) with the idea that there's no point in grinding to master if this is the profession I actually want to pursue, but if I'm doing this to fulfill a holocron quest, well... a lot of the arguments I've read here don't seem to apply to that. I certainly never used any macros or exploits on my way to swordsman, I'll tell you that, nor would I have; I actually enjoy swinging a sword.
Quite a few of us who are doing the AFK macro thing have no desire whatsoever to become master dancers (or any type of entertainer, for that matter), and we'll drop the entire profession the instant we become master dancer.
From our point of view, the "best" solution is to go straight to Coronet or Theed, join a large group, AFK macro our way through to Master Dancer, then drop the profession and grab another holocron.
How does that interfere with your enjoyment of the game? I'm asking honestly - I have no desire to take away from someone else's game.
If there was a limited number of things you as a combat player could kill in the game that gave any kind of experience and money would you be happy if Josie who normally plays a dancer decided that to get a neat screenshot of herself with the title "mater gunfighter" it would be a good idea to plop her character down 24/7 unattended until she was a master in one of these places? What about after Josie's friends all got jealous and wanted to do the same thing and so nearly every spot you'd normally be able to train for skill and profit was taken over by a combat-bot that killed everything that spawned and auto looted it. How fun would the game be for you?
If there was a limited number of things you as a combat player could kill in the game that gave any kind of experience and money would you be happy if Josie who normally plays a dancer decided that to get a neat screenshot of herself with the title "mater gunfighter" it would be a good idea to plop her character down 24/7 unattended until she was a master in one of these places? What about after Josie's friends all got jealous and wanted to do the same thing and so nearly every spot you'd normally be able to train for skill and profit was taken over by a combat-bot that killed everything that spawned and auto looted it. How fun would the game be for you?
I agree, it would not be fun for me at all. However, if that were the only thing she could do to get to where she wanted to be, I would not be anywhere so selfish as to say everything had to go my way and she had to just go away and stop bothering me, as it were.
Instead, I would try to open up a discussion with her and ask her if there were some way for the two of us to compromise, and I'd be quite happy if she was actually willing to do so.
As I'm trying to do.
How many others aren't, and how many of themgive a rat's ass what you think? I don't necessarily give a rat's ass what you think, but I do care about doing what I think is "right," "ethical," and at least somewhat fair to both of us. As a result, I'd like to discuss what a fair compromise would be. Any suggestions along those lines will be listened to, and I promise that I will not only try to keep an open mind, but I'll also discuss this with any other "Holocron specials" out there.
Sultrina wrote:
Yes I think it's still wrong, though I do sympathize with you that Sony chose this type of sillyness as the path to Jedi.
Aww, let's not be knockin the sillyness, now. Sillyness is good. Holocrons, however, are bad.
Well I don't know if holocrons are bad, exactly. Just not the way i'd have done it.
Ahh, well. Maybe it'll get better some day. We can only hope.
Quite a few of us who are doing the AFK macro thing have no desire whatsoever to become master dancers (or any type of entertainer, for that matter), and we'll drop the entire profession the instant we become master dancer.
Some are Holotainers. But even before Holocrons we had the Macrotainers and AFK discussions. Holocrons added to this, but aren't the cause. I think Holocrons or forcing people to do something that they don't consider fun is a very bad gameplay decision. I can understand Holotainers. I cannot understand Macrotainers who think the entertainer profession will be more fun when you are Master. This is simply not the case.
How does that interfere with your enjoyment of the game? I'm asking honestly - I have no desire to take away from someone else's game.
We already discussed that. If you are really interestedwhy I think exploitive, egoistic, cheating behaviour of other players interferes with my gameplay, there are a ton of threads explaining this. It's as simple as asking yourself why other players using aimbots takes away from your fun in CS.
Instead, I would try to open up a discussion with her and ask her if there were some way for the two of us to compromise, and I'd be quite happy if she was actually willing to do so.
I welcome discussion. However you are an exception to the rule. In general, leaving the keyboard and parking a bot somewhere speaks for ignorance and inability to compromise. I'm happy you are an exception, but please understand that we see egoistic exploitive gameplay daily and aren't expecting constructive discussions from those people. They are not willing to compromise, they aren't even willing to communicate with you !
- J
Karballo wrote:
If there was a limited number of things you as a combat player could kill in the game that gave any kind of experience and money would you be happy if Josie who normally plays a dancer decided that to get a neat screenshot of herself with the title "mater gunfighter" it would be a good idea to plop her character down 24/7 unattended until she was a master in one of these places? What about after Josie's friends all got jealous and wanted to do the same thing and so nearly every spot you'd normally be able to train for skill and profit was taken over by a combat-bot that killed everything that spawned and auto looted it. How fun would the game be for you?
I agree, it would not be fun for me at all. However, if that were the only thing she could do to get to where she wanted to be, I would not be anywhere so selfish as to say everything had to go my way and she had to just go away and stop bothering me, as it were.
Instead, I would try to open up a discussion with her and ask her if there were some way for the two of us to compromise, and I'd be quite happy if she was actually willing to do so.
First I jsut want to say that your statement as a rebuttle made me laugh. "Instead, I would try to open up a discussion with her and ask her if there were some....etc" Hmm, Do you run around town talking to all of the NPCs? That is the same thing you are doing when talking to someone who is AFK. And are they EVER going to see your message? Or better yet do they CARE? I mean if they are AFK or even if they are just Hologrinding do they care to hear you whine? Because that is what they will say you are doing IF they answer you. They will say you are just whining and that they just want to get to master so they can drop it and move on....
Well do you know what? That isn't whining, that is us pointing out how inconciderate all of you Hologrinders are (ok not all but most that I have run into). IF you were not inconciderate you would park your AFK self in a corner of one of the side rooms. NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DANCE FLOOR. Leave the dance floor for people who are actually ATK. Look I'm not saying that people don't use macros heck I use flourish macros when I dance. But that is because I like to swing the camara around to look at the cantina and greet people as they walk in the door and to chat with everyone. I use the macros so I keep getting experience while doing this. I have NEVER left the keyboard while my marco has been running EVER. If I leave I always stop and sit first. I figure why not? I can heal while i'm away and I'm not taking away from my fellow dancers/musicians.
I understand that you just want to get to master and drop it. Great join the group and go dance in one of the side alcoves.
I also agree with the HUGE poster about 100% of his/her post. I play a MCM on wanderhome (not where my dancer is obviously) but I started in Mos Espa on Tatooine. When I was a growing Medic that cantina was PACKED. there was ALWAYS at LEAST 3 dancers there. The max was 20 at once. it was fun to go in there and talk to them. Not ONE was AFK. I would sit and heal them as they danced and we talked. I made alot of friends there. I could use the dancers for information about this and that. It was great because people would come in and talk about their adventures and such and I would get a chance to hear about what was out in the big world. I have since moved to Naboo to be closer to the PA hall. After about a month or so I just couldn't get as close to the Theed dancers/musicians as the Espa ones. (Mostly because of the 6 that were there, there was only 2 that we not AFK and this was after 30 minutes of sitting there)
So, I decided to go back to Espa to visit my old cantina hang out. My first notion that something was amiss was that while walking to the cantina only 4 player dots showed up on my 256m radar. That was unusual ebcause before I left there was 20 minimum at any given time. When I entered the cantina I saw nothing but NPCs. I figured ok some people probably quit after the big fu...err patch that SOE put out. I sat there for 3 hours before anyone showed up. It was a friend from the past so I talked to her and found out that most people quit because it wasn't fun anymore. The AFK people were getting the most attention and none of the people who walked in the door would watch them because it was their belief that if this person is AFK I'm not going to tip them because that is what they deserve NOT TO BE TIPPED BECAUSE THEY ARE AFK.
Well, know what. That is NOT what they deserve what they deserve is not to be watched and given more experience. AFK people get watched more because they don't need to get tipped. If someone watches a person who is there they are obligated to tip. If they are watching someone who is NOT there they don't feel they HAVE to tip. (See where I'm going yet?????) So, effectively they can watch the AFK dancer for free instead of watching me and tiopping me. Now dancer is my sole form of income. Well it WAS. Obviously I cannot afford to do only dancing if I want to own a house. Especially if I barely ever get tips.
If you take this a step further you are hurting other professions as well. Because, again as the large poster stated, there are less and less dancers/musician there are less newbies up and coming. Because of this you will, and I already am, seeing a shortage of Tailors. After all who is a tailor's biggest client? (hint: they dance and play music) And without tailors Armorsmiths will not get the resources they need without taking tailor themselves. So you will see a shortage of those soon. And without armor you will see less combat classes. Etc etc etc.
All because YOU AFK DANCE!!!
Ok that is extreme but it can happen.