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Message Edited by Drygo on 01-16-2005 08:46 AM

The idea that there should be a death requirement or some kind of resource "cost" for earning credits is silly. As long as it is not possible to earn mission credits while AFK the time requirement for our missions is perfectly acceptable as a "risk". That's all death and resources are in the first place. Time.

If I take a novice marksman and run the basic destroy missions using the starter CDEF pistol and nothing else I can earn credits at a higher pace from mission terminals than a master dancer from the entertainer mission terminals.

A master of an elite profession should be able to earn credits at a higher rate than a novice can.

If I was going to scale the mission payout for dancer I would say it should be like this;

Novice 10 min mission = 100 credits
Tier 4 (dance or music 4) novice entertainer 10 min mission = 400 credits
Novice Elite 10 min mission = 500 credits
Tier 4 Elite 10 min mission = 800 credits
Master 10 min mission = 1000 credits

A master then could take 2 missions at a time in one cantina or theater and pull down 2k every ten minutes. Which would be a max income of 12k an hour. Which is still a drop in the bucket compared to the net profit a combatant or crafter can make with the same time investment. The difference though is that entertainers could augment this steady income with the regualr tip based services they offer to their fellow players.

I would say bring it in line with combat missions.
I think a Master Elite proffession has a difficulty rating of 25 and pays around 6k.
a Novice is around diff. 5 and pays 500 or so.

Should be the same for Entertainers I think.

If you're in a larger group the Group difficulty is calculated the same way the combat difficulty is, just with the exception that the Entertainer skills of the people are compared and not the equiped Weapon.
Mission payout should then also raise to the 30k or whatever Janta or Rancor missions give, simply because the payout is divided by the number of people in group and you would need a lot of entertainers to pull those missions.

I like your numbers Else, but I'd bump them up a bit to account for travel costs. In fact, I'd go with your structure but add 500 to each mission on the same planet (requiring a shuttle) and at least 1000 to each mission on a different planet. For missions on "challenge" planets (Dathomir and um...Dahthomir?) add at least 2000 credits.

If you are grouped, missions should scale so that everyone in the group gets that same level of payout. So a master mission on Dathomir pays 3000 credits, if there are two masters it pays 6000 credits, etc.

I'm not good with math but someone can figure this all out I'm sure.

Thinking about it, I am gonna have to disagree with the travel idea.

Here's why; while I know a lot of you consider the missions as travel money (connecting them more to delivery missions than to combat missions) I see them as an incentive for dancing in a cantina or theater instead of running delivery or combat missions. The way the entertainer mission is designed it encourages you to be skill animating for a set length of time rather than flourishing or performing (ala the theater quest). My guess is that the devs were trying to encourage us to be dancing or playing music for long periods of time to better serve the combatants that would come by to get healing. Since combatants can't be in the cantina AND hunting they missions are meant to keep us skill animating in the event that someone DOES come by.

When they do remove 24/7 AFK entertainers they are going to need active entertainer character in place to fill the gaps during off hours. The easy way to encourage that is to increase entertainer income. Giving entertainers good income to remain in the cantina they are already at would seem to be the best way to do that

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Else-Whira wrote:
Thinking about it, I am gonna have to disagree with the travel idea.

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Are you aware that as things stand now, that the mission payout for Entertainer Missions is LESS than the costs to travel to the mission locations? I'm expected to pay 400+ credits to travel to a cantina in another town where my max payout is 400 credits (assuming that I have 2 missions with the max payout of 200 credits for the same location)? Now if the entertainer mission terminals only gave out missions withing the city where the terminal is located, that would be another matter... but that is not what is being discussed in this thread.

Hmm having trouble thinking of changing mission pay out with out having how they work change.(aka same city pays out less then other city on planet and far less then traveling to a new planet. And it not taking into account groups or skill level...)


just a straight up change to pay out would be 1k min( 2 missions same place takes 10 minutes to finish + getting 2 more missions, So about every 12 minutes able to get a pay out would be 10k an hour.)

Max 5k = 25k an hour

That would give those of us needing it the ability to make enough over a play session once a week to pay maint. and Still buy a few things. But I can't see doing anything more or less with out the missions changing to reflect location/travel and skill.

Of course most of us won't make no 25k an hour doing these due to missions showing up a location we don't want to go to. And then the chance that as soon as the mission is done we'll run straight to the term and instantly find 2 more missions in the right place are not very good.