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Have you been disrespected or made lewd and unappropriate comments to? Just like it reads in the TITLE...please feel free to post the character names, guild name if applicable and server here for all the dead beats and disrespecting characters you find out there! I hate the word "T I P S" (i prefer "PAYMENT IN ADVANCE FOR SERVICES TO BE RENDERED) but if people can't even spare to send some credits your way, feel free to blast their name HERE!!!

Very lame thread. There's enough anger on this board and sometimes today's lousy tipper turns into tomorrow's prince.

Please be professional and DON'T point fingers.

Calling out people by name is just an invitation for the forum mods to fall on you.

Heh.

And now that I've read the thread that brought on this venom...

WE most certainly did NOT bring this upon ourselves, just as a rape victim is not the one to blame for the rape. WE did not design the logistics of the entertainment profession. The DEVS designed it such that people can watch us or an afk dancer and get their healing. Until /deny came in to the game, we had no choice, other than to stop dancing. The DEVS made entertainment a tip based profession, not us.

Yes, some of us are sleezy... /licking and /flirting with anything that has a pixilated pulse. And yes, there are a lot of children and immature people out there.

That does not give us the right or the need to act poorly in retaliation. Ignore the losers and report the abusers and harassers. Take screenshots of the abuse and let the CSRs know that you have those screenshots as evidence.

You want respect as a dancer? You might not always GET it, but you can do your damnedest to make sure you GIVE it. You can't control the behavior of other people, but you can rise above and control your own.

I think what was meant in the other post (through the fit of frusteration) was that this was brought on ourselves in a slightly different way.

I have found incidents where I COULD place blame on the rape victim (as well as on the other person.) I am in a Jujitsu dojo that has it's roots in japan, not america. At anyrate, we give classes at this university so we get all kinds of students comming it. Usually we have it geared for the grl who might get attacked in a situation that may lead to rape and how to get out of it without being injured or killed. (though I can't say so much for the other guy)

This one girl I remember was talking about how she's had several stalkers and all this about how she doesn't know WHY so that's why she's in the class. ....That was the begining of the semester. A week later I pulled her aside after one of the other classes we had together and told her WHY she had a stalker and that the reason she was afraid was her own fault.

She was the epitome of cute. Beautiful eyes, a childlike face, very petite. And she flaunted it. She worehigh skirts, low A-cut blouses and walked around on campus at night. She also was a very big flirt- I only had to observe her for less than a week in classes and at lunch to figure this out. She was practically holding a "Victim" flag. (the walking alone at night thing in a short skirt is the worst.) It's okay to dress up, or look flirty every so often, but if you give yourself the image of being easy, then someone will think that you are. And if you KNOW you have a stalker, continueing the behavior, in the stalker's mind, will make them think you are inviting them.

Now. This is how I see the last thread's 'mind' working so it came to THIS thread. (I am not saying I agree with it, just that I believe I see how the thought process here worked. Or may have.)

By not expecting Payment in Advance for our services, parts of the community have decided that they do not have to pay any sort of entertainer at all. That the entertainers are useless and a 'dime a dozen' and 'someone will help me ad I don't have to pay for it.' is enforced by people hoping that they might get paid this time. (By entertainers just having a good heart and being kind.) Since the idea that "We work for free" is enforced, the idea that "They'll dance for me no matter what I do to them..." is also enforced. Tailors and Image designers have to put up with the "I'll make it worth your time!" ploy then get stiffed 40 minutes worth of pay.

We can be kind. But we do not have to put up with this behavior. I believe the original post was that by not expecting that we are worth being paid for our time and services just like every other entertainer in the world, more uncouth members of the population have decided that we are basically their servants. If we just let this go, then the image will be enforced and more entertainers will be harmed. As such, something must be done.

Tekoa is probably the only one that understandsme(not necessarily agreeas stated)but none the less it doesnt matter. I'm not frazzled by the dancer's state of the union here but disgusted. Sure we have other matters to worry about such as the product we sell or the flaws in the system, however there is more to dancing than that. I find it interesting how people assume that this thread is a "flame" thread and it should be shut down. Well guess what, shut down another dancer's voice then. Shut down someone who is willing to stir the pot because no one else is willing to accept the fact that the system put in place before by other dancers was flawed to begin with.

I'm not talking about whether or not my buffs will last or if I fall down dancing or my flourishes wont flourish. I'm trying to stress the point where we are at the point where the self respect for the DANCING profession is at an all time low. I read in the forums how people want to just "Grind" through or hate those who want to "grind" it. I read post on how holotainers/dancers are stealing tips from us(BTW if you havent noticed, I hate the word "T I P S" 'cause we shouldnt be working for it, we should be getting paid.). And most importantly, i'm truly saddened when I read threads on why Dancers who love their profession are leaving because they are beaten down to an all time low.

I guess it doesnt matter anyways because in my heart the comaraderie of the Dancer is an all time low. How many threads do you read that state..."I LOVE DANCING, I WILL NEVER EVER GIVE IT UP" compared to the threads "How do igrind such and such and why I dont get paid"? Shouldn't we be reading "despite such and such flaws,complaints etc..., I will continue on dancing!!!"? But there is no need to say anything because no one wants to care but continue doing what they are doing because they havent been victamized. Maybe I'm naive to say but Im willing toguess for some of you other Dancers-haters out there, one less dancer is one less dancer who is buffing and taking awayyour beloved"T I P S".

So who ever moderates the Dancer's forum, go ahead and shutthis thread down and silenceonevoice who istrying toportray another image of whatthe dancer is and what it can become.Call me lame, shut me down and beat me down like the others and force me to leave the less than self respectingprofession this has become.Itsquiteironic that when a dancer leaves the professionto never come back we are so quick to be compassionate and kind, but when I'm trying keepthe dancing profession I'm hatedupon for creating such a thread because I want to know who has been hurting my fellow bretheren. I guess for some of you haters out there, deep inside your heart, one less dancer is one less competitor. But for me its one less voice that stands up for us. How strong can webe as a profession with such a high turnover rate?

Maybe in another lifetime I will see dancers and musicians fillingmine and yourcantinas up because they want to be there and perform the best they can for those who are willing to pay to enjoy the show we put on. Perhaps maybe in another lifetime I will see that theDancer's profession filled withDancers who are willing tostand up and let itbe known who disrespected us and not have it accepted. But so far in this lifetime, we are quick to say ourgoodbyes to those wholeaveDancing with a bad taste in their mouths but not so quick as to help those whowant to be a part of something special.

Interesting sides of the equation. But you know what, if a convicted child molestor or rapist moved into my neighborhood I'll bet my last dollar that I would want toknow who that person is and what place they moved too. By keeping quiet and not saying anything is the worse thing you could possibly do. I dont think this thread isasking for flaming of individuals, its asking to let it be knownfor those who offend fellow dancers, those who disrespect our profession, those who degredate what we worked so hard for, to not be let away with any repercussions. You may not care that some immature individual says things or do things to you, but whenWORDS orACTIONSforces or makesothers seriously consider leaving thedancers profession then something must be done. How many times must dancers be verbally raped and ridculed before enough is enough. You may not care or go the route of reporting to devs.

As for dancingbeing a tipping profession nowadays, it doesnt have to be. Just don't dance. Negotiate a price do what you must, your selling a service, your doing a service where the tip secondary.

All I read from above is the same folks that in school, let themselves be bullied or picked on. WellI guess thisList is not intended for you. It seems this list for those who are tired, sick and poor of being on the bottom of the food chain. Its intended to be a place for fellow Dancers to vent out their frustration. Its a sacred place where fellow dancers who were hurt maliciously to be known the injustices done to them.As for myself, when I get disrespected, all my friends and family will know who and what was done to me. Interesting thread, I hope it doesnt get shut down.

When you walk around with your characters and have your profession tag high above your head, you should be proud of what you have endured and accomplished. I'm proud when I seemy fellow master dancers in battle and in the cantina and crafting. Sure you will see plenty of "holotainers" and grinders but I'm proud of those who choose to be a dancer because they love it. ITs a shame when we start to lose those who love doing what we do. I'm not afraid to post those who disrespected my fellow dancers. I know you all heard the story of the man who keep quiet and not stand up for those who were taken away...till he was the last person to be taken away with no one to stand up for.

-so for the real dancers who are beaten down, I'll stand up for you.

Try: "to insure prompt service" :}

Perhaps I'm rather used to a great deal of negativity on these boards, so that's the conclusion I jump to when reading a post looking to name names. If that was not the intent, then I apologise.

Given that I jumped to the conclusion that this was yet another negative post, I tried to give a more 'rise above the garbage, and be better than them' suggestion. Genuine harassment and obscenty should get zero tolerance. Report those people immediately.

I guess I've been lucky in that I've never been called anything worse than "Babe", and my usual /blush reply to people who get a little too forward seems to cool them off. I am a professional dancer and do not blur that line in any way. I don't /flirt with anyone while I'm dancing. I have never /licked a customer. I save the very revealing clothing for special occasions. It very much seems to have more impact when I put on the fleshwrap to dance for a long time or trusted customer.


All that being said, keep the thread open and use it wisely.

CONGRATZ! YOU JUST WON THE:

MOST WORTHLESS POST OF THE YEAR!

and the:

MOST LAME POSTER OF THE YEAR

*conffetti falls*

Does Madame have a "little black book" she keeps such notes in? OF COURSE. I think every dancer should have one. Do I refer to it? Sometimes. Will I make it a matter of public knowledge? NEVER! Part of thereason so many people respectMadame Ajaan is that they don't exactly know what is written about them in her book.

This is one of the most disqusting ideas I've ever seen posted

Agreed Sultrina. These kinds of threads are almost guarunteed to backfire. The bottom line is - if you don't like how someone is treating you in the game, then you take a screenie, /report them immediately, and /addignore. Like Kyree, I too have seem an enormous amount of negativity on these boards, and unfortunately as trends gothis threadwould likely turninto a one-way flame fest, even if its not the intention. If one is wanting to inspire some kind of unity amongst the entertainerment proffessions, then perhaps it would be better to not invite this kind of trouble.