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Thread: Entertainers in the GCW
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Goldshadow
Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:35 pm
#1
I'm looking for some Dancer feedback on this one:
Message Edited by Goldshadow on 11-15-2004 11:37 PM
Goldshadow
Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:38 pm
#2
Reachwind
Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:44 pm
#3
I played a rebel dancer on Lowca and I played an imperial dancer on Tarquanis. During that time I rarely saw a dancer that was NOT factioned.
Any person playing this game can choose to take part in factions in one way or another. Factions is not about PvP it is not about super combat templates, it is not about the best weapons and the best buffs. Yes, those people ARE drawn to it but that is not the only group interested.
What is an entertainer's role in the GCW?
We are important for healing and buffing before and after fighting. We make a great spy network. Many times I would see fellow faction guildmates chime up with "hey blah blah blah just came into ____ cantina overt!" Some dancers even have enough combat skill to help directly with fighting. Not as much in the current system. When the game was young though you would often see dancers in combat.
Any person playing this game can choose to take part in factions in one way or another. Factions is not about PvP it is not about super combat templates, it is not about the best weapons and the best buffs. Yes, those people ARE drawn to it but that is not the only group interested.
What is an entertainer's role in the GCW?
We are important for healing and buffing before and after fighting. We make a great spy network. Many times I would see fellow faction guildmates chime up with "hey blah blah blah just came into ____ cantina overt!" Some dancers even have enough combat skill to help directly with fighting. Not as much in the current system. When the game was young though you would often see dancers in combat.
Goldshadow
Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:44 pm
#4
And I imagine that this would certainly give us something that buff-bots CAN'T take advantage of. It give live entertainers, willing to take the risk, the advantage again. I'd even like to see Faction Points for Healing and Buffing in such a manner.
Goldshadow
Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:46 pm
#5
I agree. Most of the entertainers I know are Factioned. When was the last time you saw one overt?
Reachwind wrote:
I played a rebel dancer on Lowca and I played an imperial dancer on Tarquanis. During that time I rarely saw a dancer that was NOT factioned.
Any person playing this game can choose to take part in factions in one way or another. Factions is not about PvP it is not about super combat templates, it is not about the best weapons and the best buffs. Yes, those people ARE drawn to it but that is not the only group interested.
What is an entertainer's role in the GCW?
We are important for healing and buffing before and after fighting. We make a great spy network. Many times I would see fellow faction guildmates chime up with "hey blah blah blah just came into ____ cantina overt!" Some dancers even have enough combat skill to help directly with fighting. Not as much in the current system. When the game was young though you would often see dancers in combat.
Reachwind
Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:48 pm
#6
Overt? Hrm... During the live event on Bria a couple months back. (of course I haven't played the game since september.)
PoetDancer
Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:11 pm
#7
No disrespect Roho dear, but I am not posting in that forum. If it were in Core Systems, or if they had a different Correspondent, it would be different.
Goldshadow
Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:46 pm
#8
PoetDancer wrote:
No disrespect Roho dear, but I am not posting in that forum. If it were in Core Systems, or if they had a different Correspondent, it would be different.
Sirii -
Would you please post your ideas here then? I respect your opinion and I'd love to find a way to get us all working together.
Doriana
Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:48 pm
#9
I'm making the effort.
I always try to make an effort. I feel it gives me justification later to be pissed off if I genuinely try to help and get shoved away.
So far nearly all my efforts to engage PVP oriented players have failed, though I have made some wonderful friends along the way and I know that PVP won't "die" if entertainers were allowed to have a role because I know there are some PVPers who support entertainers in the minority. But regardless of the individual support that keeps me going, the whole and the system stays completely uninviting for entertainers. I feel that it is at least 95% attitude.
I also decided not to sugarcoat it. Let them flame me there if they will -- but I'm not going to pretend like AFK isn't the #1 thing keeping me from impacting the GCW now.
*shushes self and eyes sticky*
I always try to make an effort. I feel it gives me justification later to be pissed off if I genuinely try to help and get shoved away.
So far nearly all my efforts to engage PVP oriented players have failed, though I have made some wonderful friends along the way and I know that PVP won't "die" if entertainers were allowed to have a role because I know there are some PVPers who support entertainers in the minority. But regardless of the individual support that keeps me going, the whole and the system stays completely uninviting for entertainers. I feel that it is at least 95% attitude.
I also decided not to sugarcoat it. Let them flame me there if they will -- but I'm not going to pretend like AFK isn't the #1 thing keeping me from impacting the GCW now.
*shushes self and eyes sticky*
MusicalDina
Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:00 am
#10
The basic idea of it is a sound one. There was supposed to be a buffing bonus to overt entertainers in the faction bases of 25%. It doesnt work, at least as of a couple months ago anyways. That would make more sense to me than in public cantinas.
I really dont think that a cantina is a place for war, and this would bring fights into the cantina. Last thing we need is more launcher pistols in the cantina.
Also i would like to point out that in that thread there were a couple things that made me cringe. Any thought of entertainers getting the ability to go overt/covert at will is silly. The idea behind it is for risk/reward. Giving that ability would make the risk very minimal.
Overall i do think they should get the buffing bonus in faction bases - that atleast would make live entertainers attractive to pvpers, or people would use their buffbots, and basically the buffbots wouldnt be in our public places atleast- not to mention anybody that raids that base can slay the buffbot.
kirah_ashlin
Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:44 am
#11
Well, I added my two credits worth over there. The discussion so far, at least, has been pretty constructive (other than the guy who thinks it's "funny" to talk about the streets running red in entertainer blood). Let's not oppose the idea without reading it and giving it theconsideration that it's due. Let's not deminish our place in the game by restricting others from exploring potential outlets for creative uses of our playstyle. It might not be something you (or even I) want to do, but it doesn't mean we should shut the door on such discussions or refuse to address it in the appropriate forums. (No disrespect, Sirii, it's just that I don't see how refusing to address GCW issues in the GCW forum because the new correspondent there acted likea jerk helps the cause of entertainers.Besides, you are known for not only discussing your viewpoints in a respectful, intelligent manner, but for bringing game mechanics into the debate which always gets my attention - even if I don't understand the half of it 
.)
.)Roho's idea is one of choice. The entertainer would voluntarily take on this role. Any entertainer who doesn't want to take that degree of risk (not sure I'm one of them) would not be subject to it. If you don't want to be a part of the GCW (or at least be that involved), that's fine. However, I think it's good and health for us to discussall ideas and suggestions that couldinfuse the entertainer professions deeper into the game.
Oh, and Roho, my love, if this idea were to be implimented into the game, don't worry - I still have my TK certifications- I'll protect you. 
Message Edited by kirah_ashlin on 11-16-2004 07:49 AM
DraconianOne
Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:19 am
#12
Dancers as spies? I like it, I like it a lot!
After all, if you check the SW.com entry about Mara Jade, the "Emperor's Hand", she often passed herself off as an entertainer (even, allegedly, dancing in Jabba's court!)
All it would need is some spying ability (the ability to make someone covert?) or even a spy profession.
Could an entertainer provide any assistance in combat? What about the history of drums and trumpets on the battleground? How about a musician being able to provide a group with a combat bonus (not buff, just extra damage or attacking bonuses) by playing a particular tune or such like?
After all, if you check the SW.com entry about Mara Jade, the "Emperor's Hand", she often passed herself off as an entertainer (even, allegedly, dancing in Jabba's court!)
All it would need is some spying ability (the ability to make someone covert?) or even a spy profession.
Could an entertainer provide any assistance in combat? What about the history of drums and trumpets on the battleground? How about a musician being able to provide a group with a combat bonus (not buff, just extra damage or attacking bonuses) by playing a particular tune or such like?
Doriana
Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:46 am
#13
Well the thing about entertainer factional missions and such is nice, that would be great for us.
But it wouldn't do a darn thing to foster interdependency between entertainers and the GCW soldiers or give us any reason to go overt.
I honestly think that there isn't a shortage of ents who would like to impact the GCW so I don't think we need to tempt more of US into it. I think what we need is to tempt the fighters to not ignore us, and to let us have the impact we want to have instead of shutting us out because we're "annoyances." And that, unfortunately, will likely require a boost to mechanics because that is the only thing fighters want from us.
IMO all these things we're discussing are going to be things done in "special" circumstances, not on a day to day basis where we'll have to worry about overts being competition for shows. This would simply give the dancer a reason to go overt to buff people up in an NPC cantina for their raid, and the ent would likely have 19 bodyguards anyway.
But it wouldn't do a darn thing to foster interdependency between entertainers and the GCW soldiers or give us any reason to go overt.
I honestly think that there isn't a shortage of ents who would like to impact the GCW so I don't think we need to tempt more of US into it. I think what we need is to tempt the fighters to not ignore us, and to let us have the impact we want to have instead of shutting us out because we're "annoyances." And that, unfortunately, will likely require a boost to mechanics because that is the only thing fighters want from us.
IMO all these things we're discussing are going to be things done in "special" circumstances, not on a day to day basis where we'll have to worry about overts being competition for shows. This would simply give the dancer a reason to go overt to buff people up in an NPC cantina for their raid, and the ent would likely have 19 bodyguards anyway.
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