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You are not under any obligation to train anyone. If you don't want to train her for what ever reason you have, don't.

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Reachwind wrote:
You are not under any obligation to train anyone. If you don't want to train her for what ever reason you have, don't.

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I agree. Whether or not you need the XP, whether or not you care she's a buff-bot makes no difference. If you don't want to train her, you're under no obligation to. period.

It can be argued that Dancer is a social proffession, and that what you did was "anti-social" but no more anti-social than dancing afk for several hours, only coming back to level up.

If she couldn't find a P.C. Trainer, there are N.P.C. Trainers out there.

You don't have to train anyone. It's not your obligation. I tend to not train people who spam or ask impolitely.

not training is not wrong. you are not under any obligations to train another person if you don't wish too. if you find the person has been spamming and AFK dancing then, by all means, refuse.

training more buff bots is just going to make the social aspect disappear even more so.

so, imho, you're in the right.

Message Edited by Urgra on 11-19-2004 02:41 PM

• There was a new entertainer about 4 months ago who came into the Cantina and started dancing. He kept saying how much fun he was having and was asking for tips (not the monetary variety, but things to do while dancing), and he was very pleasant and nice to talk to in groupchat. I think I even trained him on a couple entertainer boxes. Somehow the conversation got around to him having something like 13 accounts, which then eventually got around to the topic of why he was dancing there in the first place--he was going to become a buffbot. My heart sank. I stopped talking to him and training him. He probably had no idea I had purposely done so, for I don't go around announcing these things or saying, "so there! and you suck!" But, I made a conscious choice then that this person was not getting any more help from me, training or otherwise, because he was going to be somebody who helped to destroy me in the future.


• A couple weeks ago, there was a female human dancer afk for about 3 hours. She, of course, had spam in her afk macro. When she came back she needed some training. I said to her, with a little "hehe" because I really try very hard not to be rude, that I'd train her, but she had to take the spam out of the macro. "hehe." There was some initial arguing, but she actually did decide to do so. And, she took out the spam not because I forced her to, but she actually did realize it was an unnecessary nuisance. I have a feeling she was one of those people who started up entertaining and was taught to make a macro with spam from the people who initially taught her, and simply didn't know any better. I think she eventually ended up being trained by someone else at that time. But, after my request to stop the spam we became on friendly terms and it wasn't an issue any longer. But, at that point in time, I chose not to train her. Of course, I may have eventually trained her anyway. I mean, as much as spam is annoying, I was just trying to use my ability to train as leverage...or simply a way to bring up the subject of the spam. But, I actually probably would have trained her anyway. But, again, I had made a temporary decision not to train someone because they were contributing to the negative atmosphere in the Cantina.


• I was in the Dantooine Mining Outpost, and someone wanted a different kind of training...not training like /teach. But, she wanted to know how to buff better. She was telling me how she couldn't get her buffs higher than an hour and 15 minutes. Normally, I'd, of course, have no problem helping someone with the mechanics of it all. The problem was, as she was asking me, she was spamming something that looked extraordinarily like a buffbot macro. I mean with the "ask so and so, he's the group leader" etc stuff in it. It was really, really obvious. But, I wasn't sure. So, I asked in my little "hehe" voice..."Are you botting? hehe" She said, "botting?" like she hadn't ever heard the term before. So, I explained what it meant. And, she says to me that she wants to help out her guild and she's trying to set up an afk buffer house for when she's not online. Of course, I didn't "train" this person. As pleasant as she was to talk to, and as pleasant as any of the above examples are, I can't, with good conscious help someone who I know is going to play a hand in destroying my profession. I know darn good and well that if I don't help them somebody else will. My actions in this regard will do nothing to stop the spread of the bots. But, I just can't be a part of helping it along, I refuse to. So, I just had to explain to her that I couldn't help her...and I told her why. I was nice about it, and I admit feeling little twinges of guilt when I have to refuse helping people for whatever reason. But, she never responded back. I assume she took the hint and realized I wasn't going to help her. And, true to form, being the nice pleasant individual she appeared as we were initially chatting, she did not flame me or anything. I suppose that's a good thing, because despite the guilt feelings, I have no problems jumping all over someone from time to time if given a reason--like verbal abuse to my person. lol

Anyway, to answer your question. No, not training is not wrong, especially when you know that the person you're training will someday use your training to destroy you. I do always try to ask intentions first though if I have some non stated hints that this person is going to be doing me damage in the future. But, that's how I always am...I am a big "benefit of the doubt" type of person. Sometimes it screws me over. But, I'd rather be screwed over than get on someone's case or not help them and risk being wrong about who they are.

But, you know...once I know...forget it...I won't pull the punches if needed.

Message Edited by Drygo on 11-19-2004 02:57 PM

Have to agree with everyone so far.

I can count on one hand the number of people in the past year and half who I have trained knowing they AFKed. They were all friends who, while I didn't agree with their decisions, were still my friends and who in the large scheme of things weren't doing things that horrible. I have always done this, before I mastered back in August of '03 and until now and through tomorrow.

AFKers get told:

"I'm sorry, I do not train AFKers. Please find someone else to contribute to the degredation of the profession because you'll have no help from me."

I used to refuse to GROUP with AFKers but that only lasted a few months before it got to the point where there wasn't much choice and where I could neither fault the few ATKs for needing to be in the group with them nor feel comfortable going "solo" and denying them the healing exp that would be wasted on just me.

I will still kick AFKers f rom a group I lead, if I feel like it.

Message Edited by PoetDancer on 11-19-2004 08:14 PM

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PoetDancer wrote:

If they ask me, and I need the AP, I will train. But I will never, ever, EVER give out the master's title unless I know the person, and have worked with the person. I take that very seriously. So seriously in fact that I am willing to wait however long it will take to get the master's title from the right person. That person on my last server was Xedra Trehof, the best dancer on Corellia, and I waited three days so she could do it.

I want the statement of "I received my master's title from Sirii Ajaan" to mean something. And how can it mean anything if I give it out to any Moff, Mick, or Mary who asks for it? No no no dears. You want to be trained by Madame, you show Madame that you are worthy of it.

I am getting close to my goal of earning my Master's title on Bria. But I am not going to ask just anyone to give it to me. I will ask only a dancer who truly is a master, and I will prove to them I deserve it. And I will also give them an honorarium for giving me the priveledge of being trained by them. Because although in the greater scheme of things it makes no real difference who trains whom, if we don't hold such things sacred and important, who else will?

...Yes dears,the Master title isthat important.

Message Edited by PoetDancer on 11-19-2004 08:14 PM

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I remember having to waittwo orthree days for Lei so that she could train me. Now,we hadn't fit the "sisters" relationshipinto itin-game at that point. Wewere close friends, but aside from thatshe was my mentor and guide throughout my long apprenticeship in the dance world. I wouldn't have asked just anyone to hand me my diploma. As a matter of fact, I did have a couple dancers offer - one a very dear mentor along the way. I held out for Leivi. It was a special moment to me and I wanted it to be something I'd always remember.

Make the training you give mean something to you and to the person you train. You owe that to yourself and to them. I fondly remember those Masters who helped me in my quest for my title. A few of them still play . . . /misses Shianse

*Awaits the return of Madame!*

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kirah_ashlin wrote:

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PoetDancer wrote:

If they ask me, and I need the AP, I will train. But I will never, ever, EVER give out the master's title unless I know the person, and have worked with the person. I take that very seriously. So seriously in fact that I am willing to wait however long it will take to get the master's title from the right person. That person on my last server was Xedra Trehof, the best dancer on Corellia, and I waited three days so she could do it.

I want the statement of "I received my master's title from Sirii Ajaan" to mean something. And how can it mean anything if I give it out to any Moff, Mick, or Mary who asks for it? No no no dears. You want to be trained by Madame, you show Madame that you are worthy of it.

I am getting close to my goal of earning my Master's title on Bria. But I am not going to ask just anyone to give it to me. I will ask only a dancer who truly is a master, and I will prove to them I deserve it. And I will also give them an honorarium for giving me the priveledge of being trained by them. Because although in the greater scheme of things it makes no real difference who trains whom, if we don't hold such things sacred and important, who else will?

...Yes dears,the Master title isthat important.

Message Edited by PoetDancer on 11-19-2004 08:14 PM

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I remember having to waittwo orthree days for Lei so that she could train me. Now,we hadn't fit the "sisters" relationshipinto itin-game at that point. Wewere close friends, but aside from thatshe was my mentor and guide throughout my long apprenticeship in the dance world. I wouldn't have asked just anyone to hand me my diploma. As a matter of fact, I did have a couple dancers offer - one a very dear mentor along the way. I held out for Leivi. It was a special moment to me and I wanted it to be something I'd always remember.

Make the training you give mean something to you and to the person you train. You owe that to yourself and to them. I fondly remember those Masters who helped me in my quest for my title. A few of them still play . . . /misses Shianse So do I

*Awaits the return of Madame!*

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