Creature Handler Archive
Thread: Why not just ask the question instead of speculate?
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Dodece
Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:33 pm
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Subject simple enough maybe keldaran can answer the question.
1. Will existing pets be trainable in the new system? Simple enough can we train the pets we now have in these new abilites.
2. Will we be able to level up our existing pets?
3. If our existing pets will not be allowed into the new system will they be altered in a fashion to serve a purpose at all?
4. Will CHs be compensated in any way if these pets are barred from the new system EXP the npc tamers of the past with a trade in offer. Not a pseudo skin trade, but perhaps a way to port stats into new skins?
5. Will there be another rebalance of our pets yet again?
I think many CHs are concerned and not in the way the devs are considering. Alot of CHs have put alot of time effort and resources into creating their stables, and while haveing to destroy a couple to go on a tameing spree is one thing. Haveing to delete the entire data pad would be devestateing to many. No CH is really asking for a free ability ride. Most want to be able to keep their favorite pets have them be useable, and not lose any of the little individuality we have been able to gleam in the spartan pet system in place now.
The inate ability statement is comeing off as what I think is intended. Keldaran many CHs hear this and say well none of my pets will be allowed into the ability system, and rightly are getting annoyed. Here is an example for better context.
I have a level 70 kimo he has decent health for his level and I like his attack power. He cost me 100,000 credits to have made for me. The new system goes live will my pet be allowed to participate. Will I be able to get pet xp and train him in new abilities like any new tame, or will he have to be deleted since he cannot ability up. I understand if the developement team has not decided this matter, but somewhere there must be common ground.
This is a question overshadowing all. Its the question of whether CHs will have to sacrafice all their weapons to the great upgrade god. Until its addressed many CHs are stuck in a limbo. The least the Veteran CHs will have to do is start rebuilding bank accounts buying new pets costs an arm and a leg.
Technically CHs cannot go buy any new pets train any new pets or make any future stable choices until we know whats going on. We really need a yes no or maybe so as do the BEs. There is really no point in working on a stable thats at the door of obsolesence.
Personally I hope the developement team makes some kind of plan to allow us to convert our existing pets into the new system. I have worked long and hard and died more often then not to get the pets to round out my team. I did so any many chs aswell did so with the understanding that pets would convert along with the system not be converted out of it.
The question isnt will our pets start with abilities but will they be allowed to level up and gain new abilities like the new creatures can. Its really the most fundamental question. Its our arsenal, and our armor rolled up into one. Try as I might I cannot envision any profession being happy if they had to give up all their weapons and all their armor.
Gimpynoob
Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:12 pm
#2
You've forgotten that communication between the CH community and developers is strictly one way.
Vertexon
Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:31 pm
#3
The question was already asked, as stated in Ko-a's thread. When there's a definite answer to be given, I'm sure it will be.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=242850
Ko-aIri wrote:
Regarding existing pets (already tamed in the datapad): As you know, on Test Center these currently are not converting. I am awaiting further information relating to the plan here, and I have stressed the sentimental attachment CHs have to their existing pets as well as the one-time-only Quest Reward pets (like the Varactyl and Bolotaur) needing to convert, so hopefully I will have something further to share with you here soon.
theorb22
Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:37 pm
#4
Vertexon wrote:
The question was already asked, as stated in Ko-a's thread. When there's a definite answer to be given, I'm sure it will be.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=242850
Ko-aIri wrote:
Regarding existing pets (already tamed in the datapad): As you know, on Test Center these currently are not converting. I am awaiting further information relating to the plan here, and I have stressed the sentimental attachment CHs have to their existing pets as well as the one-time-only Quest Reward pets (like the Varactyl and Bolotaur) needing to convert, so hopefully I will have something further to share with you here soon.
But was Ko's question as long as Dodeces form? 
Ko-aIri
Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:52 pm
#5
theorb22 wrote:
Vertexon wrote:
The question was already asked, as stated in Ko-a's thread. When there's a definite answer to be given, I'm sure it will be.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=242850
Ko-aIri wrote: Regarding existing pets (already tamed in the datapad): As you know, on Test Center these currently are not converting. I am awaiting further information relating to the plan here, and I have stressed the sentimental attachment CHs have to their existing pets as well as the one-time-only Quest Reward pets (like the Varactyl and Bolotaur) needing to convert, so hopefully I will have something further to share with you here soon.
But was Ko's question as long as Dodeces form?
I can be pretty long-winded...
In all seriousness, I know how important it is that the pets we already have translate into the new system. As long as our existing old pets can pick up the new skills, I don't think it will be a problem. Most CHs have at least one open spot in their datapad, or could probably find a single pet to sacrifice, to allow them to tame pets with specials and learn the specials, then release the pet and find another. After all, once we learn all the abilities you don't need to keep taming new babies.
My problem is, will the existing pets we have convert to be allowed to be trained? That answer isn't clear yet. If they simply become datapad clutter I have an extreme problem with that, as do all of you. I have no desire to replace my pets. At all. And I have made that clear.
Ultron69
Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:24 pm
#6
Dodece You are a Drama Queen!
I thought Your "If a creature handler falls in the woods" post was your last.
You dissapointed me;
Think about what you type before you get in a tissy.
Dodece
Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:02 am
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Actually I have been gone from the game for a couple months but like many players make it a point to swing by and see if the game is haveing its problems fixed. I have been playing matrix online as of late. By the way I do not recommend it its kind of drull slow and ends up being far too constrictive.
I have read up on these forums and checked keldarans thread, and its not only not clear what is meant, but it seems a tad contradictory. So ofcoarse people myself included are totally confused. Go read keldarans testing thread and look up his answers. The only conclusion I can draw is either he dosent understand the question or thinks the question is something else. If that is the case then alot of people are climbing up the walls for a no good reason. Either way it is even if unknown would be to say they do not know yet which it will be.
Gee I wasnt going for drama going for analytical. Did it come off as drama if so my deepest apologies I will just go stick my head in the sand, and beg for forgiveness.
valetman
Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:08 am
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Ko-aIri wrote:
theorb22 wrote:
Vertexon wrote:
The question was already asked, as stated in Ko-a's thread. When there's a definite answer to be given, I'm sure it will be.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=242850
Ko-aIri wrote: Regarding existing pets (already tamed in the datapad): As you know, on Test Center these currently are not converting. I am awaiting further information relating to the plan here, and I have stressed the sentimental attachment CHs have to their existing pets as well as the one-time-only Quest Reward pets (like the Varactyl and Bolotaur) needing to convert, so hopefully I will have something further to share with you here soon.
But was Ko's question as long as Dodeces form?
I can be pretty long-winded...
In all seriousness, I know how important it is that the pets we already have translate into the new system. As long as our existing old pets can pick up the new skills, I don't think it will be a problem. Most CHs have at least one open spot in their datapad, or could probably find a single pet to sacrifice, to allow them to tame pets with specials and learn the specials, then release the pet and find another. After all, once we learn all the abilities you don't need to keep taming new babies.
My problem is, will the existing pets we have convert to be allowed to be trained? That answer isn't clear yet. If they simply become datapad clutter I have an extreme problem with that, as do all of you. I have no desire to replace my pets. At all. And I have made that clear.
The need to convert exisiting pets to usable form is a very farreaching one indeed, when I was able to test before they removed Tc I did include a comment in one bug report.
Whilst we tend to look at our needs as CH in the main, non conversion would render every pet, CH/Non CH useless, including one time only quest rewards like the Bolotaur, Bantha and the MCH varactyl, not to mention the sticky ground of rendering a pre order gift unusable, in the level 10 Varactyl.
In my mind, non conversion simply isnt an option , under these circumstances.
As an aside, Ive noticed that the converter for pre CU pets is now broken, and you canno longer convert old style pets to CU stats, whether you check stats or level, which is another major problem to us.
Luxora
Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:45 am
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I've heard (not firsthand) that Keldarin said:
1) Existing pets will not get starting innate abilities. You will need to tame new pets to learn them.
However as to whether that holds true from TC into live... I hope not. Certainly they'll need to add abilities to the varactyl (CL10 & 65) and bolotaur... Hopefully... Why do I feel as though that won't be the case? Hmm. Anyway.
And I'm extremely concerned about BE pets. I don't know if I can take another nerfing of my BE pets. I lost all of them after the CU due to the "this pet has invalid stats and may not be converted" crap, then acquired some new ones, and most of them are just now full-grown as I'm hearing this not-comforting news. Because it's not like BE pets are that easy to acquire, or you can just go re-tame one. You have to wait for the BE's to figure out the new system and how to add in what abilities(which they have to be getting for BE pets... If not, that's a major shaft to the BE profession.) And being that I'm a combat CH and not just a peaceful collector, of course I prefer BE pets because they're tougher. So naturally, the "go tame a new one" solution does not apply to me.
So, in short. Are BE pets getting left out of the oh-so-joyous ability upgrade?
My solution was that any pre-existing pet, BE or not, should be given training points as per its CL when the CH logs in with the next publish for the first time, and that it does not apply to new CH's or to newly-acquired pets after that. Maybe they think that solution is overpowered... I believe we CH's have already done our prof grind and shouldn't need to re-tame/re-grind with new pets when most have older sentimental ones (or BE pets), and that those of us who have stuck with this quite broken profession deserve better than what I believe we'll be getting. It's not a bad system to start off with, but we'll be losing more than we're gaining.
That, and the fact that we're attached to our current pets is why most of us are still here. Don't most MCH'skeep their very first tame? Stuff like that. If my BE kitty doesn't upgrade with abilities... I know exactly where I'm headed. Master Carbineer.
Just speaking theoretically also, since we don't know for sure if how things are on TC is how it will be on live... But it sure worries me right now. 
Electro5
Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:23 am
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Its already posted in the CH changes thread by Koa, but exisiting pets will not have innate abilities, but they will still be able to get training points and learn new abilities from you. You'll just have to tame a few new things so that you can learn the abilities in the first place
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