Creature Handler Archive
Thread: It cannot be a random number generator period.
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Dodece
Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:57 pm
#1
Okay not gloating here but I am busting my hump to get all those abilities into the fold. So today is my day off alright time to go out and get some more ability pets. Early morning is glorious on yavin4 heck its glorious anywhere in the galaxy. So off I go little did I know that today I was going to be denied.
An hour goes by i have attempted 30 tames nada no luck urg I better get in gear if you do not know you can tame from bike. So I start tearing the planet up fifty tames later nada no babies with abilities that i do not already got. At this point I have a count going. To hell with yavin going to try my hand tattoine out of anchorhead to avoid the empty gluts around eisley. The area is virtually ripe with babies I decide to head towards the squill cave. Tame after tame after tame some three babies at a lair 94 tames later still nada zilch nada. When they have abilites they are abilities i got. To heck with tattooine this planets out to get me. Time to try rori, and rori was good I actually found a critter that gives abilities 90 percent of the time and i can get 4 out of a nest good times right wrong 1 hour goes by 38 tames you think these forest mites might have something right wrong. Finally I take a bounty mission to lok and walk back to nyms you know just incase i missed something 30 tames later the same old the same old. Well no need to drag you through all of the gory details of the day i jumped from one planet to the next in a haze of rage.
My convulsing brain searching for explanation. Maybe i need odd cl babies nope same old. Maybe I need real rare babies. Nope thats not it. Maybe if i get the parent to attack me as i tame this guy nope that dosent do it. I started at 8am est today and ended at 6pm tonight, and I am looking at a scratch paper with 317 tame attempts on it all of them for bust.
Now i got 39 abilities on my toon 34 learned and 5 waiting to learn in the datapad. Now whether you beleive its 72 75 based on whether pin actually exists. I am barely over the halfway mark. Yet somehow today i manage to get like 15 marring storm 1s and 20 precission strike 1s and 12 frenzieing blits 2s. I started out the day looking to get a few L2s or L3s a few hours later I was willing to get the four or so level 1s I did need. Aggression 1 Bleeding attack 1 Guarded stance 1 Beastly constitution 1 Lightning reflexes 1. I do not mind getting doubles tripples or even quadruples, but when i get the same ability a dozen times and one ability never I start to become less then happy. I mean I only have 52 percent of the abilities one would figure in all of this hate filled rage the other 48 percent could show its head. Even when I flipped to low level content I still couldnt win. After all L3S should be more taxing right, but these are L1 they come from anything below level 30. You can get them off a kreetle or a rill. Here i am missing five abilities in L1 out of 25 abilities. Thats a 1 in 5 shot right even includeing a quarter ability success rate in a hundred I should atleast get 1.
Needless to say at the end of the day I had enough I conceeded you cant win when the game checks your trained abilities to decide what to deny you. So I go in search of chs. I tame a few high level pets to get the abilities I could and I went a tradeing, and was fortunate enough to find a guy with two bleeding strike hurtons, and I traded him hamstring attack L2 for 1.
Something stinks in the land of swg. I feal like I am in a quantum mechanics experiment gone awry. The laws of probability seem to have abandoned me. I spent 8 hours on the game today with a hour and half lunch, and I was denied. Not because I am bad at tameing. I tamed myself senseless. No yellow dot was safe. No grid pattern unfollowed. No high percentage ability giver ignored. The only conclusion I can draw is this that the ability generators arent random they are color coded. Exposed by the guy who had two pets with the same ability that I havent gotten in around 1500 tames. For pete sakes devs there is a difference between challenge and being mean. This is not a random generator. There is a system in place to actively deny a certain character the opportunity to tame a ability.
My question for the group is this is it that each CH gets color coated or does the system determine the ability off of whats in the CHs datapad. I know alot of people are crawling through but what of the guys like me working their rears off have you guys met mister invisible wall of denial yet.
Pet tradeing is the wave of the future.
Seiryuu
Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:39 pm
#3
Uh, you do know about this thread, right?
There are very definate trends and each creature has a very specific group of specials it might have. Focus on the ones with that known group and you'll get what you want eventually. Go here for groupings, with a nice list by Anarrion also in the thread.
There are very definate trends and each creature has a very specific group of specials it might have. Focus on the ones with that known group and you'll get what you want eventually. Go here for groupings, with a nice list by Anarrion also in the thread.
Joker9125
Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:56 pm
#4
That thread isnt entirely accurate. I loaded that list into excel, based on grouping, and ability levels about found about 30 or so errors such as certain pets poping up in 2 or more grouping of specials and listed as giving different levels of the same ability.
Dodece
Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:03 pm
#5
I have heard the theory its a beast type kind of thing unfortunately from my experience its just not the case, because I am getting the same ability from a host of totally disimmilar creatures and to boot these creatures have upwards of seven abilities you can pull off of them. I have gotten tough skin off of skreegs and whatnot.
Here is a mild list of what I tamed today general groups. Mamiens all types, skreegs all types. Forest mite bark mite wood mite tanc mite, kreetle rill syck bocatt giant wort mountain wort slum rat womp rat cupa spined snake spined puc vir vir all types. ravenous tortons voritors leviasquall rasp choku kusak gurk the local variant of mantrigue screecher for rori lok bark bitter stomper bo arachne gackle bat dewback snorbal pharple spineflaps. Well you get the picture I could go on and through all that the same abilities kept popping up over and over and over again.
When I go hunting tommorrow I willwrite down an extensive list on one creature what the cute and cuddly shoots out.
OddWan
Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:26 am
#6
At first I thought same as you - all the creatures had the same on specific days. Now I a consider there may be a limited cycle of specific abilities but definitely on specific creatures. My partner ch and I have tamed a host of babies and we now know basically what we are going out to hunt for and what ability we are likely to get. It works most of the time, but we still tame everything in sight as that rare little gem may pop up somewhere. I got a carrion spat with Intimidate, for instance.
Teaming up like this with another ch means your taming time is cut by half as you share your finds. What one has - a duplicate is given to the other. And it is company
Teaming up like this with another ch means your taming time is cut by half as you share your finds. What one has - a duplicate is given to the other. And it is company
Anarrion
Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:49 am
#7
Joker9125 wrote:
That thread isnt entirely accurate. I loaded that list into excel, based on grouping, and ability levels about found about 30 or so errors such as certain pets poping up in 2 or more grouping of specials and listed as giving different levels of the same ability.
Data comes almost exclusively from the Specials thread. If a pet appeared in more than one group, I looked at how many times the ability was reported for each group. If it appeared several times in one group, but only once in another, I assumed it was an error and removed it from the group where it was reported only once. Some creatures were only reported once in two separate groups, so I left it in both groups. I also used question marks when I had doubts. I'm assuming that a creature should not appear in more than one group of the same level. It may be that a creature can be in one group at one level, but another group at another level, but no one has really verified this. If you are certain something is an error, please point it out. The ones with question marks, in particular, need to be verified. People do need to understand that there are certainly errors in these groupings due to honest mistakes by posters. And, like everyone else, I make mistakes too.
Seiryuu
Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:41 am
#8
I cannot vouch for the accuracy of what others have reported has having in those lists. The only ones I have confidence in are the ones I myself have tamed or that show up repeatedly (x5) in ravingbantha's list.
What I can assure you of is that if you find something with Eye Gouge, any other of its species will have the chance of having Eye Gouge, Knockdown, or Staggering Attack of the same level. That goes for all the groupings in my list.
When I say species, I mean if a grand wrix has it, only other grand wrix have it. A wrix, a derranged wrix or a mottled wrix might have a different group of specials.
Learn the groupings and you will get what you need. I promise. I was able to find every special I wanted within a few hours of searching by looking for creatures I knew to be within these groupings.
What I can assure you of is that if you find something with Eye Gouge, any other of its species will have the chance of having Eye Gouge, Knockdown, or Staggering Attack of the same level. That goes for all the groupings in my list.
When I say species, I mean if a grand wrix has it, only other grand wrix have it. A wrix, a derranged wrix or a mottled wrix might have a different group of specials.
Learn the groupings and you will get what you need. I promise. I was able to find every special I wanted within a few hours of searching by looking for creatures I knew to be within these groupings.
Message Edited by Seiryuu on 08-24-2005 10:43 AM
GaladanAZ
Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:55 pm
#9
Hey what server are you on, I am on bria and I have a diseased vrelt with Lightning reflexes1 that is extra and has not been used in combat, I would trade you for a pet with marring storm or something else, if you want.
IGN: on Bria Daxsoon
Joker9125
Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:52 pm
#10
Anarrion wrote:
Joker9125 wrote:
That thread isnt entirely accurate. I loaded that list into excel, based on grouping, and ability levels about found about 30 or so errors such as certain pets poping up in 2 or more grouping of specials and listed as giving different levels of the same ability.
Data comes almost exclusively from the Specials thread. If a pet appeared in more than one group, I looked at how many times the ability was reported for each group. If it appeared several times in one group, but only once in another, I assumed it was an error and removed it from the group where it was reported only once. Some creatures were only reported once in two separate groups, so I left it in both groups. I also used question marks when I had doubts. I'm assuming that a creature should not appear in more than one group of the same level. It may be that a creature can be in one group at one level, but another group at another level, but no one has really verified this. If you are certain something is an error, please point it out. The ones with question marks, in particular, need to be verified. People do need to understand that there are certainly errors in these groupings due to honest mistakes by posters. And, like everyone else, I make mistakes too.
Thats exactly what i did. When i get the time ill post what errors I found.
ArchiieBarrett
Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:40 pm
#11
I just havea quick question.. unless you tame a pet with a special.. does it learn specials? I dont understand like I Tamed an Ikopi Stag with no special, he is almost capped and learned nuthing.. I have a stoneksin hanadak with guarded stance.. I tought him it cause He was the only one who can learn it yet I have other level 60+ pets.. How do I leanr the abilities from them and how am I able to teach others it.. I read the stuff but I cant figure it out.. Do I really need to tame other babies to learn specials? WTH is going on... I miss the old system..
OddWan
Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:36 am
#12
Yes tame babies - start with low levels (kreetles are nice)and check to see it has an ability in the information section of the datapad. If it has, fight with it (carefully) on something a little bigger than it or set it away on the lair while you swat the little mobs that come out. It will very quickly appear as a system message that you have learnt Ability. Now you know that ability - you can teach it to another pet - any pet you have. BUT...to teach it to another pet you need to work with that pet, killing and lair smiting at a similar cl to pet, so that it gains training point and eventually opens a training slot - then you can teach it.
To do that, target pet and type /train. It will open a window showing your learnt abilities. Click on the one you want to teach pet. It will learn. Then teach it the normal way giving it a command for that new ability.
I was oldskool and now I am having a lot of fun. You will soon become a taming addict. Welcome back to the thrill of taming.
To do that, target pet and type /train. It will open a window showing your learnt abilities. Click on the one you want to teach pet. It will learn. Then teach it the normal way giving it a command for that new ability.
I was oldskool and now I am having a lot of fun. You will soon become a taming addict. Welcome back to the thrill of taming.
Anarrion
Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:17 am
#13
A pet without an innate ability (special) can still learn abilities once it is used enough to open an ability slot. Sounds like you are justhaving bad luck with the Ikopi Stag. As long as he hasn't reached the cap, he may still open upone or moreability slots as you continue to fight with him.
You can only learn anability by using a pet withthe innateability. Once learned, you can only teach that ability to another pet (or pets) when you have fought with it long enough to open up an ability slot.
By 'innate' I mean the pet already has the ability when tamed. I assume I am using the word correctly.
ArchiieBarrett wrote:
I just havea quick question.. unless you tame a pet with a special.. does it learn specials? I dont understand like I Tamed an Ikopi Stag with no special, he is almost capped and learned nuthing.. I have a stoneksin hanadak with guarded stance.. I tought him it cause He was the only one who can learn it yet I have other level 60+ pets.. How do I leanr the abilities from them and how am I able to teach others it.. I read the stuff but I cant figure it out.. Do I really need to tame other babies to learn specials? WTH is going on... I miss the old system..
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