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Thread: Perspective and a trip to the past...
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Freth
Mon May 23, 2005 10:14 pm
#1
I was just reading a thread from March 2004 ("Rune, Vert and my great fellow CH's", by Pluto9Moon aka P9M now). It brought back a lot of memories of how I felt then and how things are similar now.
To put it in perspective, many of us were frustrated with the CH profession. Some of us were so frustrated that we blamed Vert (the then correspondent). While we remained passionate about the plight of CH, it seemed Vert didn't have that same enthusiasm. At that time I was at the end of my rope with CH and pretty much gave up on it. There was nothing left for me to give. I'd spent all of my own energy on the cause. In the post there were differing opinions about CH and how Vert handled his job as correspondent. It's ironic to see posts in that thread by Ko-a pertaining to correspondent and now he is the correspondent.
I found that the thread shows parallels between CH as it was then and CH as it is now. Pre-CU, a year ago, CH's were pleading for balance, bug fixes and viability. There was no balance in sight. SOE promised balance a couple months after the CH nerf, but it never came until the CU hit. What ended up happening is balance did occur, but existing bugs coupled with new bugs and questions of viability still abound. The response from CH's pertaining to the CU mimick many of thethose from a year ago. Back then it was dire for the CH community though, because many of us just lost the will to fight and left. With the new CU, CH's left because after a year of promises the CU didn't live up to their expectations.
We felt disenfranchised back then... both by Vert and by the devs. And the opinion hasn't changed all that much from a year ago to post-CU. Kinda puts things in perspective.
Oh, if you want to read the thread here's the link: CLICK HERE
Message Edited by Freth on 05-24-2005 02:39 AM
P9M
Mon May 23, 2005 11:37 pm
#2
WoW. That was a blast from the past. I do hope Ko-a can get points to the Devs. The downflow back to CH is the most skeptical thing for many of us. CH is a mushroom. We get kept in the dark and fed lots of "fertilizer". SOE can improve this by turning the lights on and communicating.
Ko-aIri
Tue May 24, 2005 1:28 am
#3
P9M wrote:
Ko,
Without trying to slam your predecessor, this is all I ever asked for a correspondent to do for CH itself. Report as much as they can. These tidbits you have given us really are the carrot on the stick many of us need.
Arguably, they were not there a year ago. Keep posting though.
That corral thread rocks. Would like anyone who wants to take a stab at finding hole or adding some more polish to it.
Mounted Combat. CH is a must. Pikeman are next. Want to see some JOUST-esqe pikeman duels. Tortons with mounted medium cannons.
Well, I'm glad you like what I'm (trying) to do... but to be honest, there may be long stretches with nothing new to report. At which time I'll just chat it up about whatever I feel like talking about I suppose.
Vert reported everything he was allowed to say whenever there was actually something *TO* say, which is why I was always quick to defend him. He just has a tendency to not say anything if he doesn't have anything important to talk about, that's his style. It honestly doesn't do me (or any correspondent) any good to post "well, the XXX is still broken" on the CH board every day until they fix it. You guys know what the problems are. I just keep reporting it to the devs and wait until I have something to tell you.
SOE's process is a lot of data collection/reporting and waiting, which I respect. I get them the info, they choose what to do with it (and when to do it), if anything at all. Like I said in that old thread Freth linked to above, we're one of a bunch of professions... what is it now, 35 ground + 3 pilot profession? There's a lot of stuff going on with everyone's professions, especially following the Combat Upgrade, and so some things will be overlooked or take a good chunk of time to get to.
I still think we're better off post-CU than pre. I'm having a lot more fun as a CH now, I just wish from my personal perspective that the Hate system would allow my pets to tank effectively. That's my number one personal problem with CH post-CU. With the BE fixes coming in Publish 17, that should help to a degree once the BEs learn the new "best" formulas, and if they get around to fixing specials/resists soon we'll be in good shape IMO.
Just keep telling me what you are having problems with, and I'll keep passing along everything I can.
Wholfe
Tue May 24, 2005 2:37 am
#4
Ko-aIri wrote:
P9M wrote:
Ko,
Without trying to slam your predecessor, this is all I ever asked for a correspondent to do for CH itself. Report as much as they can. These tidbits you have given us really are the carrot on the stick many of us need.
Arguably, they were not there a year ago. Keep posting though.
That corral thread rocks. Would like anyone who wants to take a stab at finding hole or adding some more polish to it.
Mounted Combat. CH is a must. Pikeman are next. Want to see some JOUST-esqe pikeman duels. Tortons with mounted medium cannons.
Well, I'm glad you like what I'm (trying) to do... but to be honest, there may be long stretches with nothing new to report. At which time I'll just chat it up about whatever I feel like talking about I suppose.
Vert reported everything he was allowed to say whenever there was actually something *TO* say, which is why I was always quick to defend him. He just has a tendency to not say anything if he doesn't have anything important to talk about, that's his style. It honestly doesn't do me (or any correspondent) any good to post "well, the XXX is still broken" on the CH board every day until they fix it. You guys know what the problems are. I just keep reporting it to the devs and wait until I have something to tell you.
SOE's process is a lot of data collection/reporting and waiting, which I respect. I get them the info, they choose what to do with it (and when to do it), if anything at all. Like I said in that old thread Freth linked to above, we're one of a bunch of professions... what is it now, 35 ground + 3 pilot profession? There's a lot of stuff going on with everyone's professions, especially following the Combat Upgrade, and so some things will be overlooked or take a good chunk of time to get to.
I still think we're better off post-CU than pre. I'm having a lot more fun as a CH now, I just wish from my personal perspective that the Hate system would allow my pets to tank effectively. That's my number one personal problem with CH post-CU. With the BE fixes coming in Publish 17, that should help to a degree once the BEs learn the new "best" formulas, and if they get around to fixing specials/resists soon we'll be in good shape IMO.
Just keep telling me what you are having problems with, and I'll keep passing along everything I can.
Well it looks like pets are getting a modifier that is going to let their attacks add to their aggro... I just started working on it tonight, and only had time for 1 pet using rancor/bull rancor DNA, but there was a modifier on there for aggro... Here's what I got
Level 53 (looks like no more 100+ pets)
Health 5400
Health Regen 53 (Not sure if this is 53 points per tick or what yet, will try to test that tomorrow after I get a few more pets)
Armor 3006
To Hit 82
Defense 114
State Resistance 24.1%
Crit Hit 4.2%
Crit save bonus 1.37%
Aggro Bonus 4.3%
Damage 88-369
This was in a razor cat skin, but there is definitely going to be more of a chance for pets to tank, and like I said, this was my only pet I was able to make, and was going to head to bed until I saw this, and wanted to provide a little more hope to the other CH's out there.
I'd like to test a High Health, High armor, HIgh Aggro pet for tanking, A High Damage, High Crit Hit pet for "nuking", and some well rounded pets, but going to have to find some different types of DNA's... If anyone is also working on BE on test, or would like to test pets as I get them made let me know. I'll either be on Rowleth or Wholfe...
Freth
Tue May 24, 2005 4:00 am
#5
Wow. Now that's something to think about my fellow CH's... BE pets with an aggro modifier. *rubs chin with interest* 
I also wanted to add that it's refreshing to hear our correspondent tell us exactly what the current status is and what to expect. It's something I would expect from any correspondent and the fact he came out and said it plain as day and as forthright as possible makes me feel confident that he's doing what he can to get our points of view heard. I think excerpts from his posts should be posted in a sticky thread, if they haven't been already, for CH's to read if they have any question about whether he's doing what he can or not. These words mean a lot to a CH that hasn't heard anything positive in months.
Message Edited by Freth on 05-24-2005 07:08 AM
Daire_Courant
Tue May 24, 2005 4:45 am
#6
Freth wrote:
Wow. Now that's something to think about my fellow CH's... BE pets with an aggro modifier. *rubs chin with interest*I also wanted to add that it's refreshing to hear our correspondent tell us exactly what the current status is and what to expect. It's something I would expect from any correspondent and the fact he came out and said it plain as day and as forthright as possible makes me feel confident that he's doing what he can to get our points of view heard. I think excerpts from his posts should be posted in a sticky thread, if they haven't been already, for CH's to read if they have any question about whether he's doing what he can or not. These words mean a lot to a CH that hasn't heard anything positive in months.Message Edited by Freth on 05-24-2005 07:08 AM
/crawls_out_of_data_pad
/Points_up
/say What he said
/crawls_back_into_data_pad
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Ko-aIri
Tue May 24, 2005 12:06 pm
#7
Man, that was a pretty volatile discussion... hah hah
I still love you guys.
I still love you guys.
Message Edited by Ko-aIri on 05-24-2005 03:24 AM
Ko-aIri
Tue May 24, 2005 12:24 pm
#8
By the way, I'll *always* pass whatever information I can get that I'm allowed to share to this forum. Right now, I'm still working on getting answers and issues addressed, and unfortunately don't have anything to share other than the patch notes from Publish 17 that you've already seen.
On the side, I'm working on a proposal for mounted combat (complete with pet armor, specials use, etc.) as a little, pardon the pun, "pet" project. I'd also like to get the stable/corral idea on the table and see if we can get a little love there with *some* form of extended pet storage. I'm focused primarily on the top 5 list at the moment though, if we can knock off most or all of those problem areas we'd be in really good shape.
Luckily they're fixing the XP cap in Publish 17 (unfortunately it took them a month), but I'm trying to get an idea of when the fixes they told Vertexon about regarding specials and resists are going to show up, and when we might expect attention to our other issues.
The specials/resists thing, like the XP cap, is a blatant "bug" and not an "issue" so I imagine it will get fixed soon. I'm guessing since just after the Combat Upgrade they already told Vert to tell us that it was already on the list of things to be fixed in the near future, we'll see that as our next fix. I'm just guessing though.
On the side, I'm working on a proposal for mounted combat (complete with pet armor, specials use, etc.) as a little, pardon the pun, "pet" project. I'd also like to get the stable/corral idea on the table and see if we can get a little love there with *some* form of extended pet storage. I'm focused primarily on the top 5 list at the moment though, if we can knock off most or all of those problem areas we'd be in really good shape.
Luckily they're fixing the XP cap in Publish 17 (unfortunately it took them a month), but I'm trying to get an idea of when the fixes they told Vertexon about regarding specials and resists are going to show up, and when we might expect attention to our other issues.
The specials/resists thing, like the XP cap, is a blatant "bug" and not an "issue" so I imagine it will get fixed soon. I'm guessing since just after the Combat Upgrade they already told Vert to tell us that it was already on the list of things to be fixed in the near future, we'll see that as our next fix. I'm just guessing though.
P9M
Tue May 24, 2005 12:36 pm
#10
Ko,
Without trying to slam your predecessor, this is all I ever asked for a correspondent to do for CH itself. Report as much as they can. These tidbits you have given us really are the carrot on the stick many of us need.
Arguably, they were not there a year ago. Keep posting though.
That corral thread rocks. Would like anyone who wants to take a stab at finding hole or adding some more polish to it.
Mounted Combat. CH is a must. Pikeman are next. Want to see some JOUST-esqe pikeman duels. Tortons with mounted medium cannons.
Without trying to slam your predecessor, this is all I ever asked for a correspondent to do for CH itself. Report as much as they can. These tidbits you have given us really are the carrot on the stick many of us need.
Arguably, they were not there a year ago. Keep posting though.
That corral thread rocks. Would like anyone who wants to take a stab at finding hole or adding some more polish to it.
Mounted Combat. CH is a must. Pikeman are next. Want to see some JOUST-esqe pikeman duels. Tortons with mounted medium cannons.
InspGadgt
Tue May 24, 2005 4:47 pm
#11
Well it looks like pets are getting a modifier that is going to let their attacks add to their aggro... I just started working on it tonight, and only had time for 1 pet using rancor/bull rancor DNA, but there was a modifier on there for aggro... Here's what I got
Level 53 (looks like no more 100+ pets)
Health 5400
Health Regen 53 (Not sure if this is 53 points per tick or what yet, will try to test that tomorrow after I get a few more pets)
Armor 3006
To Hit 82
Defense 114
State Resistance 24.1%
Crit Hit 4.2%
Crit save bonus 1.37%
Aggro Bonus 4.3%
Damage 88-369
This was in a razor cat skin, but there is definitely going to be more of a chance for pets to tank, and like I said, this was my only pet I was able to make, and was going to head to bed until I saw this, and wanted to provide a little more hope to the other CH's out there.
I'd like to test a High Health, High armor, HIgh Aggro pet for tanking, A High Damage, High Crit Hit pet for "nuking", and some well rounded pets, but going to have to find some different types of DNA's... If anyone is also working on BE on test, or would like to test pets as I get them made let me know. I'll either be on Rowleth or Wholfe...
Well that's definately a promising start...however looking at that I wonder how the Aggro Bonus is going to work...if it's a bonus based off of the damage, in other words the agro level is the damage amount + 4.3% of the damage, then that is too small of a bonus to hold the agro. In the above case then the agro level if the pet did max damage would be 369+4.3% = 384.867...Now I'm doing 1200+ points of damage with my laser rifle at that the agro will always turn on me even with the bonus the pet gets.
Wholfe
Tue May 24, 2005 5:25 pm
#12
Well so far the highest level of aggro I've been able to get is 7%, but I had a really good tank, level 48, made and was trying to 2nd gen it when the server crashed again, so I've probably lost that dna, although with work I can probably recreate it...
Here's what it looked like
Level 48
Health 6688
Regen 64
Armor 4266
To Hit 127
Def 144
State Resist 40.0%
Crit Hit 2.13%
Crit Save 2.64%
Aggro 5.4%
Damage 59-277
The damage isn't that great, but the armor/hit points and state resists would "probably" make this a pretty good tank. I still haven't tested them in the field yet because I'm trying to get them down to level 35 so I can test a pair, one nuking (high damage, low aggro) and one tanking (higher aggro/better to hit/and good armor)
Corpusblight
Wed May 25, 2005 4:05 pm
#13
Ahhh those were the days.
Ya know I think I liked being nerfed better than this dam CU. At least then only 1 of my professions was nerfed now it's 3
CARPE CORPUS!! 
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