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Barb, Ang and Kn. Maybe you read something I did not write. I have apologized for my use of the word troll. But I have yet to see where my post is whiny. But then again I choose to step up to be a leader and not an agitator, I am a perfect and easy mark for you comments.

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Barb-Wire wrote:
i completely and totally disagree with this post.

CH used to be the uber skill for the "I-Win-Button" crowd. i love the CH revamp it got rid of dabblers and balanced out the class pretty well. the whiners are for the most part those taht cant have dual uber graul maulers or run around with a uber graul mauler at 3200ch. it made making master worthwhile basically.

you have to now participate with your pet to be effective as a CH. the devs alredy stated they would fix these issues long before runesabre posted here.

im just sick of the whining.

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1)Mentioning we are not uber is not the same as whining to be uber. Those are words Barb put in my mouth and if you read her posts she is good at that. (trolling?) I merely asked for Red Names to cease using that term in reference to CH.
2)I did not defend the dabbler. Nor do I wish to see their return in such magnitude. But I did infer that since they are gone, why can we not see some bugs fixed?
3)I am glad the three of you have perfect CH's characters with no bugs, because you disagreed with an entire post.

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Angamarth wrote:

Actually, I have to agree with Barb-wire. Been master CH for quite some time now, and quite frankly I was flabbergasted to hear you claim the profession was broken.

Unless I am misreading her post, she said she was sick of all the whining. Again, I have to agree with her. I thought I had stumbled into the wrong boards last week with all the people claiming that a 30 sec timer after calling their pet was the End of the World and if it went in they and their 5 million friends would all quit. She made no personal attack on you, yet you promptly labeled her a troll.

From my point of view, your tendency to exaggerate, both the state of the profession and her post, is much more inflammatory than her posting that she disagreed with you.

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1) Again refer to #3 above.
2) The thirty second timer has failed to be reasonably explained to the CH and how it would cause more griefing than someone standing with a CDEF pistol out then busting me with an DX2.
3) She clearly states she disagrees with the post but does nothing to defeat anything I wrote in post. Every thing she argued, she put into my mouth. So I must feel since you agree, you are making me say things that are clearly not there as well.
4) I did make my apology for retaliating with the word troll it was counterproductive as the intent of the post was to insure rant free, clear and concise threads as to what CH want.

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KnPorter wrote:

Pluto, I agree with Angamarth. I found your response more offensive than her post. Barb is clearly a long time CH so I dont see how the lable of Troll really applies to her. Besides I have never understood the problem people have about other professions giving their opinions. I believe many players loose site of the "Big Picture" sometimes and only see how changes effect their own profession and not the game as a whole. Having other professions chime in on changes sometimes allows us to see that bigger picture.

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1) I have only taken part of the original post because the rest rehashes what I have clearly shown to be poor arguments above.
2) Being a long time CH makes someone right? Wow, I guess you have no right to attack me then.
3) I asked for the vision that Devs have for CH. I think that came acrossed clearly.

Miscellaneous:
1) For those, who only just read that one post missed weeks of mayhem. That post is an attempt to bridge gaps between the Devs and the CH. So if you disagree with communications then thats cool but do not blame me for trying. As I stated in order to be a leader you have to make yourself a mark.
2) It was not an attempt to destroy and big picture or get Devs to fix us sooner than any other. It was a statement that we want some things recognized.
3) The fact that I know I got one starred a few times and still have 4 means it represented 80% of the communities wishes.
4) If you say you disagree with something I say, then follow up by calling me a whiner you're a troll.
5) If you put words into my mouth, do not defeat anything I have stated you're troll.
6) If you have a bugless pet and do not desire to see pets fixed you're not even CH and you're a troll.

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Pluto9Moon wrote:

Barb, Ang and Kn. Maybe you read something I did not write. I have apologized for my use of the word troll. But I have yet to see where my post is whiny. But then again I choose to step up to be a leader and not an agitator, I am a perfect and easy mark for you comments.

1) I have only taken part of the original post because the rest rehashes what I have clearly shown to be poor arguments above.
2) Being a long time CH makes someone right? Wow, I guess you have no right to attack me then.
3) I asked for the vision that Devs have for CH. I think that came acrossed clearly.

Miscellaneous:
1) For those, who only just read that one post missed weeks of mayhem. That post is an attempt to bridge gaps between the Devs and the CH. So if you disagree with communications then thats cool but do not blame me for trying. As I stated in order to be a leader you have to make yourself a mark.
2) It was not an attempt to destroy and big picture or get Devs to fix us sooner than any other. It was a statement that we want some things recognized.
3) The fact that I know I got one starred a few times and still have 4 means it represented 80% of the communities wishes.
4) If you say you disagree with something I say, then follow up by calling me a whiner you're a troll.
5) If you put words into my mouth, do not defeat anything I have stated you're troll.
6) If you have a bugless pet and do not desire to see pets fixed you're not even CH and you're a troll.

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7) If you just rant and rave and have nothing constructive to add You're a troll
8)If you hijack a thread that is in a peaceful respectful tone and call the poster names you are a troll
9) #5 deserves a restatement

You want to see how many words can be put in someone's mouth by others who disagree see this

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=rifleman&message.id=48183

sorry if you think that describing what occured in the past is "putting words in your mouth". you cannot talk about the present without discussing the past. the ONLY things that changed in CH were the removal of wild pets having 65% armour and light armour and the spreading out of the skillpoints in CH from two trees to all the branches.

i see people moaning about the changes in how it damaged CH. all the monsters got lowered in power across the board with few exceptions so the relative power did not decrease at all. (with the exception of krayts and wild kimos). so am i really putting words in your mouth or is it the case that your just not fully expressing yourself.

let me put it like this:

if you have issues with CH as it is now please detail what you think is wrong. do not simply say CH sucks. go into detail how it sucks or what is wrong. this board is full of people saying CH sucks/CH is nerfed to uselessness/im quiting CH because the devs hate CH... none of them have stated why. if they are brought to task and explanations are demanded they get all defensive and emotional and start in on people like me who want facts not hearsay and rumour. all i can do on this side is GUESS at what you think unless you put it in concrete words. saying something sucks is not constructive unless you can layout the evidence as you see it. then we can discuss back and forth the relevant points.

but i am not going to sit back and let people troll on me