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Thread: Important Issue Thats Been Around For A Long Time Needs Attention!!
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jopenack
Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:10 am
#1
Please Look AT This
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bio-engineer&message.id=85913&page=1
It has been far too long that this problem has been ignored
Can anyone tell me if there is time framewe can expecta fix?
Tiggs are you aware of this, I ask you why can a non ch control lvl 20-40 pets with high resistence?
Vert sorry to bring this up but you are our cor and as you can see Nancy the BE cor says her recipe gets 60% kin. when was the last time you brought this up with the devs and what is being done?
The above thread is very recent and it would seem these recipes are talked about openly for all to use. Policing themselves has failed as you can see and It wouldn't surprise me if most people ingame have one of these.
I was at Coronet last night while a non ch talked openly to a BE about making him one and when it would be ready and how much it would cost.
Why do CH even exist if half our skill boxes are useless, we have the ability to tame and call 3 pets that arent very usefull considering our lvl70 cap, so the only benifit we might have is 2 pets at once compaired to a non ch who can wield these creations.
This problem has gone on so long that people have no idea it is not supposed to be this way
Looking at what they are creating it is easy to see that our profession isuseless other than taming to many, If no fix is ever going to happen in the near future and if a non ch can weild a lvl 35 pet the only thing to do would be to raise our max lvl to 210 to balance us out with a non ch. "But we know this wont happen"
I would like a reply from a red name here Vert if possibleit is important and degrades our profession.
Message Edited by jopenack on 12-11-2004 09:02 AM
Trayson_Antilles
Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:50 am
#2
First off, change the title of your thread. The last thing TH or Tiggs will do is openly acknowledge a thread with their name in the title... and in all caps. Just bad business that.
Second, /bug it. If you feel like reporting the person for abusing a bug or exploit or whatever, do that to. I don't think you'll get a favorable response but you might get lucky.
Third, PM Vert. I'm sure he already knows about this but I'm out of the loop a bit because of things going on in the outside world so I don't know if it's already been brought to the devs attention or not.
Fourth, grab some ice cream. It'll make you feel better. 
jopenack
Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:54 am
#3
thank you for your suggestions can we now stay on topic
Message Edited by jopenack on 12-11-2004 09:03 AM
Craster
Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:16 am
#4
He was being helpful.
As it stands, your thread will be totally ignored by all those whose attention you are trying to attract.
As it stands, your thread will be totally ignored by all those whose attention you are trying to attract.
jopenack
Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:04 am
#5
Perhaps a PM would have sufficed instead of starting the replies to this post off subject
I edited it now back to the subject at hand please
hi_i_am_new_here
Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:27 am
#6
Trayson_Antilles wrote:
Second, /bug it. If you feel like reporting the person for abusing a bug or exploit or whatever, do that to. I don't think you'll get a favorable response but you might get lucky.
Fourth, grab some ice cream. It'll make you feel better.
Thats EXACTLY what I did. I was helping out Kyzerr on the Eclipse server (hey there if you're reading!) by placing a few pets about to make the selling area more attractive. A few people walk up, a few walk away with pets, and a few walk away with their pets trained or mounted. I was talking to a newer player, and a person i will not mention came up. He told him not to buy from the two Dorky Master Creature Handlers, that we were selling crap pets (which we were not.) He then proceeded to pull his CL 8 bluurg. I told him that it was an exploited pet, and that I could not condone or help with it. He just sat there and laughed. I put him on addignore. 2 mins later the newbie was gone....
So in short, I do not like these pets either. I report them as exploits. I refuse to teach these kind of pets. They are made through a bug in the Bio-Engineer system, the CL calculations, so they ARE EXPLOITS! I am hoping the Combat Revamp nerfs them for good, for all time.
Pluto9Moon
Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:11 am
#7
Trayson you are totally correct. No one will respond to anything with their name in the title. Of course, they never respond without it being in the title either. SOE simply does not care.
I know plenty say they lurk the forums. Jfreeman is the only lruker we know of that actually accomplishes anything. Of course, his job was JTL and he wanted to make sure everything on TC worked well. I wish that kind of ethics came acrossed with the rest of the team.
Many of the team are so jaded. They have been in defense of all the crap we players have been forced to ingest. The problem is not many want to face up to the disasters. CH cannot get anything close to an apology from TH. We have ONE dev we know willing to work with us. It is easy to see why some believe that the rest consider us a laughing stock.
The Combat Upgrade isn't upgrading anyone. Upgrading means you get better by definition. Instead each individual player has or will have gotten weaker starting with CH.
You want to argue semantics over the title or how it appears let's start with the disappearance of anything remotely resembling dialogue. CH has its problems we are told the upgrade will fix it much of it. We have been told that for over a year? Where are you red names? Some of these fixes have nothing at all to do with the upgrade.
Many of them have plenty to do with the CH revamp. BE pets were changed then and whether anyone wants to believe it or not make CH useless. I have a 0 Level blurgg that is better than any wild tame out there. It is better than 90% of all BE pets. And I could call it as a non-CH.
Pet specials do not work another part of our revamp. Yet no one wants to discuss fixing them. If the CU and the Dev team hold their course, 50% of SWG professions will be broken as a result of the CU and no one will own responsibilty or have the courage to step up and fix it.
One can only hope that JFreeman is on this team. His ethics have shown he wishes the game to be functional.
Of course, as we learned last year, the holiday season means a total shutdown of the SWG team. We will stay in limbo for another 30 days as people drift off to brag ot their family about seemingly successful jobs and pass out presents that were paid for by their insistence on pushing a below average product and reaping above average payment for the product.
This profession is broken. This professsion has little content. This profession has no market. This profession has no niche in PvP. This profession is barely sustainable in PvE. This profession is hated byt 90% of the player base. This profession is hated by all the Dev Team except JFreeman. This profession lost Holocron as its one and only advocate on the inside. This profession has no one in the Community Relations Dept. willing to discuss anything.
If someone puts the Red Names in the title and it goes unanswered then it only goes to further prove the point that we are ignored intentionally. You can tell me they are busy but we all have seen TH answer too many joke posts and not enough serious posts. Of course, there are those who suggest that TH's job is a sham. He is the smoke and mirrors for the rest of the team. The Chevy Chase fall down routine. He is the physical comedy. He takes the fall down. Only it is not so funny for the players. He knows his role though and performs it well. Even after he asked CH what they wanted as a role, he ignored us. Meaningful questions that he has came up with have been ignored even as he typed them he knew he would.
Most companies have a 7 or 10 year plan. I am waiting for this with SWG. Largely we cannot get a one month plan to be hit on target. Otherwise the CU would have been completed at the latest by February of 2004.
Now for the positive, this game can be changed once the team realizes that the average age of online gamers is 30+. This game can be changed as soon as they realize the average gamer has an IQ par with theirs. This game can change as soon as they want to have a successful product. This game can change as soon as they wish to discuss the problems, errors and new content that would make this game fun for every profession. This game can change once they put for the blood, sweat and tears to prove they all have the ethics of JFreeman.
I know plenty say they lurk the forums. Jfreeman is the only lruker we know of that actually accomplishes anything. Of course, his job was JTL and he wanted to make sure everything on TC worked well. I wish that kind of ethics came acrossed with the rest of the team.
Many of the team are so jaded. They have been in defense of all the crap we players have been forced to ingest. The problem is not many want to face up to the disasters. CH cannot get anything close to an apology from TH. We have ONE dev we know willing to work with us. It is easy to see why some believe that the rest consider us a laughing stock.
The Combat Upgrade isn't upgrading anyone. Upgrading means you get better by definition. Instead each individual player has or will have gotten weaker starting with CH.
You want to argue semantics over the title or how it appears let's start with the disappearance of anything remotely resembling dialogue. CH has its problems we are told the upgrade will fix it much of it. We have been told that for over a year? Where are you red names? Some of these fixes have nothing at all to do with the upgrade.
Many of them have plenty to do with the CH revamp. BE pets were changed then and whether anyone wants to believe it or not make CH useless. I have a 0 Level blurgg that is better than any wild tame out there. It is better than 90% of all BE pets. And I could call it as a non-CH.
Pet specials do not work another part of our revamp. Yet no one wants to discuss fixing them. If the CU and the Dev team hold their course, 50% of SWG professions will be broken as a result of the CU and no one will own responsibilty or have the courage to step up and fix it.
One can only hope that JFreeman is on this team. His ethics have shown he wishes the game to be functional.
Of course, as we learned last year, the holiday season means a total shutdown of the SWG team. We will stay in limbo for another 30 days as people drift off to brag ot their family about seemingly successful jobs and pass out presents that were paid for by their insistence on pushing a below average product and reaping above average payment for the product.
This profession is broken. This professsion has little content. This profession has no market. This profession has no niche in PvP. This profession is barely sustainable in PvE. This profession is hated byt 90% of the player base. This profession is hated by all the Dev Team except JFreeman. This profession lost Holocron as its one and only advocate on the inside. This profession has no one in the Community Relations Dept. willing to discuss anything.
If someone puts the Red Names in the title and it goes unanswered then it only goes to further prove the point that we are ignored intentionally. You can tell me they are busy but we all have seen TH answer too many joke posts and not enough serious posts. Of course, there are those who suggest that TH's job is a sham. He is the smoke and mirrors for the rest of the team. The Chevy Chase fall down routine. He is the physical comedy. He takes the fall down. Only it is not so funny for the players. He knows his role though and performs it well. Even after he asked CH what they wanted as a role, he ignored us. Meaningful questions that he has came up with have been ignored even as he typed them he knew he would.
Most companies have a 7 or 10 year plan. I am waiting for this with SWG. Largely we cannot get a one month plan to be hit on target. Otherwise the CU would have been completed at the latest by February of 2004.
Now for the positive, this game can be changed once the team realizes that the average age of online gamers is 30+. This game can be changed as soon as they realize the average gamer has an IQ par with theirs. This game can change as soon as they want to have a successful product. This game can change as soon as they wish to discuss the problems, errors and new content that would make this game fun for every profession. This game can change once they put for the blood, sweat and tears to prove they all have the ethics of JFreeman.
Vertexon
Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:26 pm
#9
I am aware of the issue with the pets in question, and I definitely agree that CL 10 pets are being created way, way stronger than is healthy for the profession or the game. I bring this issue up when I can, and had just mentioned it to the Devs again a few weeks ago. I really appreciate your continued patience, and will definitely let you know if I'm given any new information to pass along.
jopenack
Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:53 pm
#10
Thank you Vert
I shall try to be patient lol but it is very hard.
So basically we wait and wait no offense to you, I know you are trying but the devs really need to understand what this is doing to us.
When the combat upgrade does go into effect our role in groups will be null with evryonehaving a pet like those mentioned, and unfortunatly it is wide spread throughout the game.
DarthMarksman
Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:28 pm
#11
Vertexon wrote:
I am aware of the issue with the pets in question, and I definitely agree that CL 10 pets are being created way, way stronger than is healthy for the profession or the game. I bring this issue up when I can, and had just mentioned it to the Devs again a few weeks ago. I really appreciate your continued patience, and will definitely let you know if I'm given any new information to pass along.
Better hurry, Vert. Some CHs are ready to start the second Inquisition and burn BEs at the stake.
Splain
Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:18 am
#12
Pluto, I agree with your post whole-heartedly, but I'd like to correct you on one minor detail. Non-CH can no longer call lvl 0 pets. It's cold comfort in the grand scheme of things, I know.....
jopenack
Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:29 am
#13
lol darth
contrary to what some might believe I do not want to burn BE's at the stake and I once had a second acount that is MBE, crafting pets is cool and I understand the desire to improve apon ones creations.
the lvl check system during crafting these pets is broken and no fix to date has worked, after a year of this I feel its time for the devs/soe to step up to the plate and repair this.
in another thread a debate broke out and I know I ruffled some feathers but this is an issue that effects all ch as I stated above when the combat upgrade does go into effect and if every non ch has a pet like that why would you even seek a ch out for a group. 20 non ch with these easily replaces 5 mch in a group and i'm being generous in this analogy
Pluto speaks his mind well in reguards to the apathy and lack of red names and I agree with him,
there is a way to get this fixed if the powers that be stay on the're past track record. if every MCH got 2 of these and used them with a lvl 50 pet, i'm sure they would push it up the priority list just to keep us beat down with the ole nerf bat lmao
ok last part is a joke but it kinda makes you wonder lol
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