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Thread: Tiggs...a question.

Pluto9Moon
Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:59 am
#1

Dearest Tiggs,

I am a MCH and have lived on Dantooine since Jan, 04. I am in no way a tamer on the level of the legendary Tivo. This aside, I hunted Dant many a day for cash missions and resources.

As you may know, Dantooine is the home of the legendary Frenzied Graul. The FG (as we call it) is labelled to be tamable. Tamable as means that the creature spawns babies. Since the FG was supposedly made tamable again (over a year ago) there are no reliable sources of any such babies being tamed.

The point Tiggs, is that either the label is wrong. In such case, all any CH wants is an admission of this error. The other possibility is that these beasts are so rare, that I will be the lead dev of SWG before anyone finds a FG (baby). In this case, the CH request the spawn rate be fixed. The odds of 88,000,000:1 is lottery like.

When the reward is great, according to Pascal, then one must make the minimum wager to participate. Those of us left have made a wager that SOE wants to do its part. In this instance, the Tamer CH would love to hear either SOE made an error and the CH is not tamable or that FG do have a spawn rate but it is so skewed that a CH will never find one and SOE will do its best to remedy the spawn rate to bring it inline with other rare spawns.

Can you please find us a more acceptable answer than all spawns work appropriately? Meaning a more specific answer as to the dilemma with the FG (baby).



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Pem
Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:23 am
#2



Tiggs,


If I may be so bold ...


I have hunted Frenzied Grauls with a passion since they were flagged tamable. Not a single one who's crossed my pass has lived to tell the tale. I have spent countless hours scouring the SW quadrant of Dantooine from the Imperial Outpost to the extreme SW corner of the map to the Dantari Lakeside Village in the south.


When I say scour, I mean this: I go from the Imperial Outpost west about 2K in a straight line. I go directly south for about 200m then head east in a straight line for about 2K then I repeat the process until I reach the bottom of the map.


When I come across a random spawn, I slay all four spawn cycles. If I come to a lair, I kill the first spawn and continue until the cycle of three is complete. Then I proceed to work the lair. I ensure I am very methodical about this. The only time I have been killed or a pet incapped was when facing four Frenzied Grauls at once. I would have survived the moment, but when my pet engaged one of he Grauls, the beasts would start running for the horizon. This makes crowd management very difficult when one is a TKM.


Now, since December of 03, I have kept careful track of the number of Frenzied Graul I have killed. The number is now at 493. Call me obsessive, but this creature and the Bark Mite Burrower Queen are the only two "Extincts" I would care to have. The BMBQ's do not exist on Shadowfire at all to my knowledge. Otherwise I would have been raising cash to purchase one, regardless of price.


The only thing I have not tried is getting a very large group together to go hunting them. Virtually no players wish to assist me in my hunt to begin with, and convincing them to endure such a boring task is not easy at all. My point is, I do not know if anyone else has been this a-nal retentive about trying to find a Frenzied Graul (baby). In considering this post, I thought perhaps you should know that some people are out there actively looking to tame one of these beasts. The only confirmed tamable critter I have not tamed myself has been the Wild Dune Boar. Bull Rancors, Great Plains Stalkers, etc. etc. ... been there done that.


To be honest, this is one reason I cancelled my account in the first place. I have reactived in hopes of getting invited to the Combat Revamp Beta, but that is the only reason. Last night was the first time in weeks I have actually logged on for more than 10 minutes to check e-mail and pay structure maintenance. There is little for me to do as CH anymore. I become bored with the game very quickly now because there are few challenges, and the places I may have some interest in seeing are camped out the wazoo by the loot greedy.


But over time, I have become tired of searching for something that may not even exist. I am afraid to have faith because of all the current bugs which have yet to be fixed since the game was released a year and a half ago. As you can ptobably already tell, I take this issue very seriously. Please take to the time to look into this and respond with some useful information. I do not mean for that to sound harsh or rude, but so many times, the response "it's working as intended" does very little to answer a question.


Thank you for your time and consideration,


Pem Aoldon - MCH since August 2003 - Hoping for a reason to play again.

jopenack
Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:35 am
#3

Nicely written my ch brethren


and Pem it is a very pleasant surprise to see you here, wb :-)



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LaraDarkStar
Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:07 am
#4

Very well witten guys, and i agree 100% for veterans of ch, thats the whole point. there hasent been anything worth twitching about for more then a year now. Master level pets are in so unbeleivably low odd its not worth the time for the stats they have in the first place. Its basily to give us something to do and have the Cool Factor.


Myself, as Pem and others, has tamed every old and new rare alike for the exeption of the Bull Rancor witch has always been my favorite swg creature, still love my gurrek and GPS


Consider these fun facts.


My Bull Rancor hunt;


Time: 1 year and counting


Number of wild and mission lairs: 804


Number of Bulls killed total: 2412


Numer of babies seen: 0, Zip, Nada, Nothing, ZERO


Tamable: YES


Number of babies i would have seen according to the suppose 0.1% : 2.412 ruffly 3 babies?



I play a ch for the love of the animals, but when you reach Master and the best you can hope for for the one lev 65+ animal left in game is these kinds of odd, im sorry but that does not translate into fun.



-==Fanatic Bull Rancor baby Hunter==-
-== MCH/MPiker ==-
-==Warrior Princess of the Nightsister Clan==-
...has tamed all rare animals except the broken bull rancor! 987 lairs!
hossp
Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:25 am
#5


Nice to hear from the lgendary Pem of Shodowfire!! I am a relatively new mch, been playing since june, mastered rifle then ch..the only two masters i feel i need/want, and i too am obsessively a-nal retentive about my creature collecting habits. The only two current rares thet so far have eluded me are the bull and the WDB. I don't mention the frenzied graul as i feel it is extinct, simply because lt armor and 65 kin seen too strong to be an allowable pet in the devs eyes.


Over the course of my ch tenure on shadowfire , it is suprising how may times i hear Pem"s name references when talking about rares. It is not uncommon for me to spend 6 hrs or so on dath working 8-12 wils rancor lairs and 12-20 bull missions, in fact as of late it is the norm. I have encountered 8 WDB spawns over the last couple months, but sadly none since JTL went live, not sure if this is a coincidence or not. I often converse with a friend of mine grinding jedi while hunting, i remarked to him that when he is done he will be the ultimate character in the game , and when i am dome i will have something nice to show off at the starport, lol..Be that as it may, i still am determined to find a bull and a WDB, but my hopes for a frenzied are somewhat quashed..


Pem if you come back, i'd be happy to do some a-nal retentive graul hunting with you, look me up--hoss



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Kitoth
Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:51 am
#6

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the spawn rate on FGs are exactly the same as the Bull Rancor, and the only reason no one has tamed a FG is because it's not possible to generate enough spawns (via missions) to have a chance at one. You can take BR missions all day long for weeks on end and easily get thousands of spawns to increase your chances. But the FG spawns only randomly, so it may not be possible to even get enough spawns to ever see the 1 in 1000 baby.


I didn't bother to count the number of Bull Rancors I killed, or even the number of missions I ran during my hunt. But it took me a few weeks. In that time, the 2 babies that I saw both came from missions, not natural lairs (I found, on average, 1 natural bull rancor lair a day while doing dozens of mission lairs). The first baby despawned on me, but the next day the game made up for it.

I would love to see a dev confirmation either way on this (i.e., tamable tag incorrect or rate is just absurdly low), but perhaps there's a third option: add FG missions to the terminals.




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taloncard
Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:53 am
#7

Sing it loud sing it proud brother!!!!

Even there rarest of rare resources spawn from time to time, you would think in 1 year at least 1 person would have seen a FG baby even without a successful tame.




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Anobaca
Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:26 pm
#8

I have seen were the frienzied grual has a 0.01% chance of tameing it. Now what the spawn rate is no one knows. Also saw the bull rancor has a 0.1% chance of taming it. Now if the chance of tameing is the same as spawning I have no idea.



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Wallach1
Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:39 pm
#9


Pem, I sent you a PM, dont' know if you will get it or not, due to our "not seeing eye to eye" in the past. let me know if you got it.


Oh, and also, GREAT TO SEE YOU BACK HERE PEM!!!


/kowtow

Message Edited by Wallach1 on 12-10-2004 01:41 PM



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Hazarstanagge
Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:30 pm
#10

Greetings fellow critter catchers,
I must say that I am VERY impressed with the civilized and dignified manner in which the concerns on this issue have been expressed in this thread. Its a welcome change!!
Now for my two creds...
It has always been my understanding from reading info posted on these boards and on SWGcreatures that the FG has not produced babies for quite some time. The "tamable: yes" tag is an error/bug similar to what one finds on certain lair bosses and supposedly on some Gurk species.
Even if the chances to encounter a FG baby were the same as finding BR baby SOMEONE would have tamed one by now...probably one of you hardcore hunters!
So, it is this Ch's opinion that the search for FG babies will produce the same results as a search for a Krayt dragon baby.....none what so ever. Its just one of the "little" things that need to be corrected in the CH universe.



WHO IS GOING TO KEEP JABBA'S RANCOR NOW?
WHO IS GOING TO TRAIN AND MOUNT TAUN TAUNS?
WHO IS GOING TO TRAIN OBIE'S VERACTYL?
WHO IS GOING TO MAINTAIN THE CREATURES IN THE GEO ARENA?
SOE'S MOMMA THAT'S WHO!!
Pluto9Moon
Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:57 am
#11

PEM,

Great to see you back. Like you I find the boredom of the game tedious. I log in once a week to check any progress that has been made. It is much like watching an amorphous sheet of glass flow out of its pane over time. We CH, have tried to offer solutions. This seems like it would take 15 minutes out of someones day to look for this information.

I had hoped Tiggs could get it done. Maybe JFreeman can.



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Propagandalf
Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:14 pm
#12

They get paid for their 15 minutes of time. We pay for it. Therefore, they are more interested in hawking JTL to new players and video game magazines than addressing the concerns of people whose money they already posess. Fixing spawn rates takes time away from pushing JTL, which is bad, and unacceptable. And while every magazine review they post on the front page has less than positive things to say about the core game, it's all to sell more copies.

/yawn

(Goes back to his friends and attempts to extract what fun is left and in shift...)



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CHFreak
Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:11 pm
#13

I too hunt the Frenzied Graul, although only a recent thing. Prior to this I hunted the GPS on Bria, in 4 months 2 spawns 12 adults killed no babies. Was so sick to death of looking and not find a spawn at all I swithched to Grauls since at least I can find a spawn to work on. Don't think ill be in SWG for much longer.



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Rare/Uncommon Pets Tamed: Wastelands CuPa, Swamp Stalker, Giant Veermok, Ravenous Roba Stalker, Jundland Eopie, War Gronda, Canoid Hunter, Male and Female Swamp Tusk Cat, Mantigrue Hunter, Boar Wolf Ravager, Bark Mite Burrower Collector, Merek Deaths Head, Gurreck, Prowling Gurreck, Mantigrue Screecher.

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