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Thread: Fellow Creature Handlers, I'm tempted to drop MCH!!!! O_O;

TheCheeseburglar
Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:19 pm
#1



Hey folks,

I never thought I'd question the one profession I wanted from the beginning, but the time has come. I've tamed a Great Plains Stalker, Mantigrue Screecher, Rhoa Pack Leader, Arachne Webmaster, and an assortment of other pets. Also, I've built a zoo and aquarium in a large and medium house. Despite my love of creatures, I can't help but feel underpowered compared to other professions (particularly TK.) To make matters worse, I tested my flame and uber pets against a TKM / Master Commando today and our combined effort barely scratched him. Although I love my pets, I'm left wondering if I should follow in the path of my obstical (Teras Kasi.) Considering pets do Kinetic damage (not much mind you), why don't I just go TK and hit for 10k plus. While I'm at it, I could also unleash a horrifying sheet of flame as Master Commando. I'm really torn folks. I've been a dedicated Master Creature Handler for half a year. I want to know what my CH brothers and sisters have to say.We CHesget no love. -_-,

Sincerely,

Crim Bushkill of Gorath



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Maccus
Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:48 pm
#2

Well i just masterd Ch Last night but I feel your pain the rebels in theed make fun of me when i use pets in PVP. However Im also mastering Carbineer. After the patch we might have a chance considering the cap they are putting on defense stackers. Carbineers are also getting fixed in the next patch so well see. So give it up just yet you should be fine in pvp after the patch. no defense stacking will be just your combat profession against theirs not their two or three combined. hang in there bro.



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vieda
Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:50 pm
#3

Dont go to the dark side Cheeseburgler, it would be your undoing. So you could kick butt on anything in the game, what then would there be for you but a life of loneliness without your pets at your side ,err I mean on top of you.



Lord Vieda
Starode
Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:16 pm
#4


To be honest, everyone should always master the most powerful profession/professions at the time. In doing so you will help game achieve balance one way or another.



Starode Ar'lya ~ Master Pistoleer/ex-Master CH/Medic
MMOGs played ~ Diku MUDDs (long live TinTin++) 3 years
Kal Ort Por 5 years ~ Solrain Core under 6 months (I still love many aspects of it)
Jove's Fury 6 months (un-describable disappointment) ~ SWG *clock still ticking*

Wahini
Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:24 pm
#5


I've been a Master CH for about a month and I wouldn't trade my pets for anything. BUT, they aren't much for fighting now we can only have a max level of 70...so I don't do much battling, except to clean up the neighborhood and do some missions. My concern is mostly for my pets because they are so great to have around. I would rather get killed then have my pets injured. I don't know how you can give it up!


...you asked


Freth
Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:27 pm
#6

I've been MCH for a long time. Only recently have I started playing PVP, but in my experiences so far I can give you some good advice.


All the TKM has to do is drop you with KD and your duel is over. Then they KD your pet(s) and it's over for them as well. If you'rea Pistoleer like me the first thing you do is get out of lunge range, either that or use Pistol Whip (/pistolmeleedefense1) immediately. If your KD doesn't work then run out of range fast. If it does work then lay some bleed on the TKM and blast him with fan shot as you get out of range. Keep a decent distance and you should be able to win, because all the while your pet is gnawing at his heels. If he stops to kill the pet he dies because you are firing on him from a safe distance with your highest special(s). If he keeps chasing you he gets damage from you and the pet anyway. All you have to do is stay out of range long enough to drop his health to incap. If he's buffed then you better be buffed too, or you're wasting your time. Before I learned how to use my pets and my profession (Pistoleer), I was very frustrated myself. Sure, I still die if I make a mistake and stay in lunge range, but I've been able to hold off a TKMand incap him with the help of my pets. It IS possible.


Now lets take into consideration other professions with CH. Say you switch to TK and master that. Your pets will still die. Sure, TKM does more damage and you may be able to take out one or two more people in a fight, but you're still going to die in PVP quite frequently. TKM's aren't invulnerable. I have friends that die all the time. Commando has its own flaws too... 16m is the max distance of accuracy for a flamethrower and that's greatly reduced when your target is moving. I've died many times due to flame, but I've also killed quite a few flamers. Again, distance is your friend. Pets on a Commando are lethal and they die fairly easy as long as you're blasting them.


CH's do have their place in PVP, but in my opinion it's more of a support role. I don't use my pets alone in PVP usually because they will die and lose vitality needlessly. When I am in a group I use my pets all the time. I've found I can play a very good support role with my pets and my Pistoleer. I get invited to groups all the time because I do make a difference.


If I wanted an uber template like everyone else I'd drop MCH and invest in what I need. I'd rather do something challenging, like make myself a reputation as someone to be feared in PVP. Imagine that... an MCH/Pistoleer winning in PVP and making people take notice. I've won many times, I've died many times. You have to accept as an MCH that your pets will die. This pushes you to really pick and choose your pets for different PVP situations and it also forces you to hone tactics that will keep you and your pets alive during a battle. Your pets WILL lose vitality. It's inevitable.I have PVP pets and I have regular pets. I do have bonds with my pets, but me and my pets accept that we have to make sacrifices for the Rebellion and do our duty in PVP. My pets and I know what we're getting into and we accept that risk. Most pets don't start losing stats until they reach 70/100 vitality. This is when I make the decision to retire them and keep them(vitality pack brings them back up to par98/98 and full stats) or destroy them and get new ones to replace them. I have a nice collection of BE pets to fall back on for PVP.


At first I was discouraged like you, but the more I play the more I find that the real reasons an MCH loses in battle have nothing to do with skill most of the time, but who gets the right special off first. A lot of it is defense stacking as well, which is going to be reduced (to 125), but still be in place. And that's only for certain stats, not all of them---so keep that in mind. The next publish will help, but I doubt it will be the boon we're looking for.


Get yourself a Genosian Sonic Blaster (if Pistoleer) or similar stun damage gun. It will save your hide in PVP because it bypasses most armor (which is based on kinetic) and slams the person with damage. Although these guns are lower damage than most other pistols you'll find they just eat a target up. These things are just plain awesome. Stun damage rocks.


I'm determined to make my own way in PVP using Master Pistoleer and MCH. I may not be ever considered uber by most, but I'll gain respect for making my weaker template work, and it's more challenging than going the easy route and choosing a template that gives me everything to win easily.



Fah-Mmm · Wookiee · Gorath · Master Creature Handler · Master Rifleman


Freth
Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:37 pm
#7


One other note about PVP...


You are going to find that there are people out there that cheat.They useexploits, double-sliced weapons and some love to cause grief at your expense. There are quite a few nasty people playing PVP right now. They'll take advantage any chance they get. You have to take these people with a grain of salt and not let it bother you or it will eat at you and make you so mad. It's not worth it. I've learned who these people are and I avoid them when I can. Don't let these people ruin your PVP fun. Shrug it off and move on.


Message Edited by Freth on 03-09-2004 01:38 AM



Fah-Mmm · Wookiee · Gorath · Master Creature Handler · Master Rifleman


clowdvailo
Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:53 pm
#8

well i have been a master ch since the beginning.. first profession i mastered andi have stuck with it. i love ch because i can go and do missions solo with ease i do labs and quests and anything i want no prob. i solo ATST with just my mount squill and me. but when it comes to pvp thats a different story. it all depends on what ur in game for pvp or experiecing..when i go pvp i just unleash my master swordsman and kick their ass... but i do feel for you bud. good luck on ur decision.




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Galaxus
Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:48 am
#9


MCH is a nice complement for my master scout / pistoleer. To be honest it relegates me to a master hunter/gatherer and thats about it. I use my pet combos, about one combo per mission. When they are allbeat up, I put them away and log off. Its too much time and expense to heal them. At least the pets make a reasonable meat shield as I improve my Pistol skills and gather hides and meat.


PvP, lol, My furry wookie hide would be toast immediately.
enigma_writer
Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:12 am
#10

Creature Handlers are a support profession that really need to be in a group to have good success in pvp. I am starting too experiement with other profession with trying Master ch with master TK to see if I can get better results.


If they would only remove pet decay then it wouldn't matter whether you went solo or not because pets would remain unphased if they were killed. Get rid of vitality loss and itwould eliminate a lot of the heart ache with pets in pvp. I have been a master ch for a long time and with all they nerfs they have placed on us it would be nice if they started giving back to us. This would be a wonderful way to start


Milteck the Beastmaster

Radient
ZerosTheWizard
Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:18 am
#11

pets in pvp is so unfair for the pet, screw balance, i dont care if the creatures opponent is a TKM if he punches a rancor with his fists hes gonna pretty much break his hand and the rancor is barely gonna feel it! its sad how this game is working as far as pets go
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