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Thread: DEVS Please Listen to us!
LOL Dev's listen to us? This does NOT really happen.
Perhaps if enough of us were to send Lucas Arts a email ... [email protected]
I know if just a few people worte them it would get lost in the shuffle.... however if enough people wrote they would realize things are going wrong an would take a closer look themselves. If you should write them don't wine... just state facts about broken stuff, NOT stuff we would like to see....
At the end of the FanFest I had a friend of a friend as the Lucas Arts rep why Lucas Arts did not advertise this game. The response was the game is not ready yet 2 many bugs, it will be anotheryear or so before we do that. This statementupset my friend so muchhe quit playing.
Laaba wrote:
LOL Dev's listen to us? This does NOT really happen.
Perhaps if enough of us were to send Lucas Arts a email ... [email protected]
I know if just a few people worte them it would get lost in the shuffle.... however if enough people wrote they would realize things are going wrong an would take a closer look themselves. If you should write them don't wine... just state facts about broken stuff, NOT stuff we would like to see....
At the end of the FanFest I had a friend of a friend as the Lucas Arts rep why Lucas Arts did not advertise this game. The response was the game is not ready yet 2 many bugs, it will be another year or so before we do that. This statement upset my friend so much he quit playing.
hate to break the news , but Lucasarts run the show, not SOE.
The lead producer, who makes the final desicion on game direction, always has been, since the projects inception before beta, and is now, a Lucasarts employee.
Given that EQ2 doesnt suffer anywhere near the problems of this game, and that customers are much better treated and informed there, and the ONLY difference in development between the 2 games is LA, I think its fairly obvious the real reason we have issues.
Id also point out, the Cu being rushed out before Ep 3 was, without question an LA desicion, it has never been confirmed, but given tyrant left shortly after lucasarts made the announcement of the exact dat CU would be live, before SOE even mentioned it to existing customers, it is fairly easy to see who is making the desicions here.
As for good ole george, by my reckoning they get 2.5million dollars a month from this game, a large proportion of which goes into his pocket.
And that is all he cares about.
Sorry to burst the bubble onmr lucas, he is one of the greediest men of the modern era, he invented film merchandise, and has exploited it ever since.
edit cos i missed a decimal
Message Edited by valetman on 07-13-2005 02:20 PM
valetman wrote:
hate to break the news , but Lucasarts run the show, not SOE.
The lead producer, who makes the final desicion on game direction, always has been, since the projects inception before beta, and is now, a Lucasarts employee.
Given that EQ2 doesnt suffer anywhere near the problems of this game, and that customers are much better treated and informed there, and the ONLY difference in development between the 2 games is LA, I think its fairly obvious the real reason we have issues.
Id also point out, the Cu being rushed out before Ep 3 was, without question an LA desicion, it has never been confirmed, but given tyrant left shortly after lucasarts made the announcement of the exact dat CU would be live, before SOE even mentioned it to existing customers, it is fairly easy to see who is making the desicions here.
As for good ole george, by my reckoning they get 2.5million dollars a month from this game, a large proportion of which goes into his pocket.
And that is all he cares about.
Sorry to burst the bubble onmr lucas, he is one of the greediest men of the modern era, he invented film merchandise, and has exploited it ever since.
edit cos i missed a decimal
Message Edited by valetman on 07-13-2005 02:20 PM
Laaba wrote:
valetman wrote:
hate to break the news , but Lucasarts run the show, not SOE.
The lead producer, who makes the final desicion on game direction, always has been, since the projects inception before beta, and is now, a Lucasarts employee.
Given that EQ2 doesnt suffer anywhere near the problems of this game, and that customers are much better treated and informed there, and the ONLY difference in development between the 2 games is LA, I think its fairly obvious the real reason we have issues.
Id also point out, the Cu being rushed out before Ep 3 was, without question an LA desicion, it has never been confirmed, but given tyrant left shortly after lucasarts made the announcement of the exact dat CU would be live, before SOE even mentioned it to existing customers, it is fairly easy to see who is making the desicions here.
As for good ole george, by my reckoning they get 2.5million dollars a month from this game, a large proportion of which goes into his pocket.
And that is all he cares about.
Sorry to burst the bubble onmr lucas, he is one of the greediest men of the modern era, he invented film merchandise, and has exploited it ever since.
edit cos i missed a decimalMessage Edited by valetman on 07-13-2005 02:20 PM
Well I hear you. An alot of what you say makes sense. After all we always hear how Lucas has there input. As far as the CU coming out before EP3.... Let me give you another reason. SOE knew beyound a doubt that they were going to UPSET lots of people an would lose lots of customers. What EP3 did was bring lots of new blood into the game to replace the old. Why do you think we have been given the double exp several times an the Respec? This did not help old veteran players nearly as much as it helped the newbie. It allowed the newbie to fill in the voids that were created by the old people that left.As far as George goes I think the contract also gives him a %, NOT just a flat fee.So if you want to pass all the blame to the Lucas Arts rep an say SOE is innocent that is your call. SOE obviously cannot go over the Lucas Arts rep, but we as paying customers can.
Dont wish to get into an argument.
but Ill give you another indicator if you wish.
tyrant was the SOE top man, in charge of swg, for the CU , and , I would think, beyond.
He is one of the top guys in the mmorpg industry, his reputation is second to none, anywhere.
he said, in response to the often asked 'when will we get the CU' ,in a statement to the community, it will be
'done when its done'.
4 weeks later, Lucasarts (not SOE, in fact it is apparent SOE people were not even aware the announcement was coming) announced on their website the release date of ROTW, including the CU.
3 days later Tyrant left, without a word, on these forums or in a statement to the industry.
It has never even been acknowledged formally he left.
Given tyrant was the SOE man making the desicions SOE are allowed to make, why would he say one thing, have Lucas announce something completely different and then leave?
Your idea simply doesnt fit with the actual events.
valetman wrote:
Dont wish to get into an argument.
but Ill give you another indicator if you wish.
tyrant was the SOE top man, in charge of swg, for the CU , and , I would think, beyond.
He is one of the top guys in the mmorpg industry, his reputation is second to none, anywhere.
he said, in response to the often asked 'when will we get the CU' ,in a statement to the community, it will be
'done when its done'.
4 weeks later, Lucasarts (not SOE, in fact it is apparent SOE people were not even aware the announcement was coming) announced on their website the release date of ROTW, including the CU.
3 days later Tyrant left, without a word, on these forums or in a statement to the industry.
I agree, Dont wish to get into an argument.
Laaba wrote:
valetman wrote:
Dont wish to get into an argument.
but Ill give you another indicator if you wish.
tyrant was the SOE top man, in charge of swg, for the CU , and , I would think, beyond.
He is one of the top guys in the mmorpg industry, his reputation is second to none, anywhere.
he said, in response to the often asked 'when will we get the CU' ,in a statement to the community, it will be
'done when its done'.
4 weeks later, Lucasarts (not SOE, in fact it is apparent SOE people were not even aware the announcement was coming) announced on their website the release date of ROTW, including the CU.
3 days later Tyrant left, without a word, on these forums or in a statement to the industry.
I agree, Dont wish to get into an argument.
My original post gave anyone that wants a different way to point out problems with this game. That was my intent.To debate what is going on internal is just a guess. As far as Lucas putting info on there website about the CU an EP3 this only makes sense to me as SWG is there game an SOE only develops it. IMHO it is the development of the game that is the problem area.I must say I am a bit shocked that a couple of you have promptly come to side with SOE after all that they have said an done, ESPECIALLY how they have screwed over VET players.
yep, I understand what you were trying to say with the original post.
I was just pointing out that to be under the impression LA themselves dont know the changes being made, or dont approve of the changes being made is very misguided.
Everything in the game, from the piece of wreckage outside the lucky depot cantina, to the words some random moisture farmer in the wilderness of tat, and every single item/conversation/sound/graphic in the game has been through LA approval before its implimented.
Playing on test center, I see as many Lucasarts QA staff as SOE, and, like I have said, you see it as SOE screwing over vet players.
I played EQ for years, I have good friends play EQ2 (cant face another dwarf and elf game myself) , and the difference in customer service and player/dev interaction is like night and day.
the only difference, as I said before, between the 2 is that Lucasarts employees control this game, and SOE control EQ2.
SOE are not blameless, obviously, Raph Koster's original ideas for the game are what lead us to this, his experiments with the sperate and unhealable mind bar are what , with other ill tested things such as crafting (but again, LA forced thegame onto the market before it was ready, anyone in beta will confirm tha, and that is what makes the comment you quote from an LA staffer so ironic, and also a lie, given they spent millions advertising the game pre Ep3 launch, including TV, Game and internet ads), ultimately led to the CU , and the nerfs to CH and other professions before that.
Be sure though, the jedi numbers, the nerfs we endured, the village and everything else came with direct lucasarts approval.
valetman wrote:
I was just pointing out that to be under the impression LA themselves dont know the changes being made, or dont approve of the changes being made is very misguided.
My Response; Wow sorry I gave this impression. I did not mean 2. I know LA has to approve LOTS that go into this game, that can be picked up from posts by the dev's... We know graphics is a example. SOE cannot add a vehicle or mount without LA approval. But does this mean LA has to approve how fast it goes? Does LA really have staff that plays this game an the diff trades, with direct input on how things are to be developed, I doubt it. Does LA have a "Vision" an by contract SOE must do certain things within a given time frame. I believe this to be the case myself.
Everything in the game, from the piece of wreckage outside the lucky depot cantina, to the words some random moisture farmer in the wilderness of tat, and every single item/conversation/sound/graphic in the game has been through LA approval before its implimented.
My Response; Here lets just agree to disagree.... I think in concept they do but when it comes out in code they don't always get what they wanted.... i.e. grammer/spelling mistakes, if nothing else gives a good example of what I am trying to communicate.
Playing on test center, I see as many Lucasarts QA staff as SOE, and, like I have said, you see it as SOE screwing over vet players.
I played EQ for years, I have good friends play EQ2 (cant face another dwarf and elf game myself) , and the difference in customer service and player/dev interaction is like night and day.
the only difference, as I said before, between the 2 is that Lucasarts employees control this game, and SOE control EQ2.
My Response; I played EQ1 for 4 years have not been on in 2. I do see many of the same problems here that I saw there. I see alot of EQ in this game even before the wookiee expansion. I even remember about 4 years back a system msg flashing across my screen saying a new gaming industry 1st had been set with over 500,000 people playing EQ at the same time. I have not seen what is going on in the last 2 years so I take your word for it, as I have no reason to doubt it.
A big part of the CSR problem now is that it is being done in India, this saves SOE money. This was a decision made by SOE,upper Management. BUT then again mybe I am wrong... SWG has moved to Austin as well. So this makes them a bit more independent than being located at corp headquarters.
SOE are not blameless, obviously, Raph Koster's original ideas for the game are what lead us to this, his experiments with the sperate and unhealable mind bar are what , with other ill tested things such as crafting (but again, LA forced thegame onto the market before it was ready, anyone in beta will confirm tha, and that is what makes the comment you quote from an LA staffer so ironic, and also a lie, given they spent millions advertising the game pre Ep3 launch, including TV, Game and internet ads), ultimately led to the CU , and the nerfs to CH and other professions before that.
Be sure though, the jedi numbers, the nerfs we endured, the village and everything else came with direct lucasarts approval.
My Response; I gave you the wrong impression of how the converstaion went an my understanding of it. I do not dispute the millions spent advertising the movie an the expansion... that sort of went hand in hand. My friend of a friends question was about continual advertising. Give it another year or so when LA comes out with their TV SWG series an they advertise the game along with it... I think my friends question was more about general advertising like you see on other games. That is lacking from LAwith SWG. I am sure the reason my friend quit playing when he heard this response was that he felt SOE was behind the 8 ball as LA saw it. The impression I was left with after my conversation, was LA did not feel the game was up to par, with the vision they have of it.
Aerontako_Shretalon wrote:
An online game is supposed to be a foundation built on customer service. However, SOE has yet to uphold it's Customer Servive license and has repeatedly ignored most Non-Combat classes. Sending e-mail, tells to the DEV's on the forums, as well as major bug reports, have all fallen on deaf ears. I have sent multiple personal contacts and have yet to recieve a single reply that at least my message has been read.
My trial month just ended and my payed month just began, but I'm gonna cancel my account due to the lack of respect and head back to UO, where even the lowest class is respected. You heard me, they finally gave the Cooking skill a huge upgrade!
Here are a short list of once almost useless skills in UO:
Spirit Speak:
Old - Allowed you to understand a players ghost.
New - Allows you to heal yourself with a slight mana loss, moreso if you absorb the soul of a nearby corps.
Tracking:
Old - Allows you to track creatures around you.
New - UNKNOWN! With the introduction of the elf race, tracking them is tougher than tracking a human, animal, or monster. This is a sign that tracking is being looked into for an upgrade.
Fishing:
Old - Abeality to fish, but would eventually allow you to fish for burried treasure maps and rares.
New - Added specialty rares and artifacts that can only be obtained through fishing up a kraken.
Cooking:
Old - Allowed the cooking of food, but was only a minor use when hunger actually had an effect on skill gain and effectiveness. Slightly upgraded a while back with the abeality to create Tribal Paint.
New - The abeality to craft foods that cause special effects as well as a new designing interface that allows you to decorate your food.
Tinkering:
Old - Allowed you to craft variouse house items, jewelry, and utensils. Was useless untill they added the abeality to craft Golems, though the Golems were only effective if you were a Mage-Tinker, but even then your summons were more powerful.
New - Abeality to craft jewelry with values and variables based on what kind of jem is used in the crafting process.
Grr...reading crap like that just ticks me off.
They need to get with the ball game and actually WORK on what matters and effects the players...
But I mean, thank god, I can get some really nifty artifacts from fishing now! That totally takes priority over my pets and my CH abilities.
/end sarcasm
Well this just shows how much the powers that be say one thing and do something completely different as shortly after fan fest (around the time EP3 released) SOE started advertising SWG on TV despite the huge amount of bugs due to the CU.
Laaba wrote:
At the end of the FanFest I had a friend of a friend as the Lucas Arts rep why Lucas Arts did not advertise this game. The response was the game is not ready yet 2 many bugs, it will be anotheryear or so before we do that. This statementupset my friend so muchhe quit playing.