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Thread: Rare Colors and Legacy Critters

BlindTyldak
Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:32 am
#1

I got to thinking about this last night, while contemplating why CH could seem so boring in SWG at times yet I never got bored with it in UO, and in UO there was less than 1/4 the animals to tame. One of the things that made it kind of neat was the variety of colors to the animals, and some colors were more rare than others. Some were VERY rare.


For example, there was an animal in UO called a nightmare. The model was of a black horse, but it breathed fire and you could ride it. Cool pet. Anyways, there were actually six "colors" of nightmare, once, in order based on rarity:



  • Grey, short mane

  • Grey, long mane

  • Dark grey, short mane

  • Dark grey, long mane

  • Pitch black, short mane

  • Pitch black, long mane

Note, these all had exactly the same stats as one another, but a grey, short-maned mare went for about 30k, while a Pitch, long maned one could go for 10 million. Many other animals were like this as well, like Ostards (carrion spats are just ostards. Believe me). They came in yellow, brown, red, blue, green, and black. Each color had three shades, with the darker the color being the more rare, the washed-out version being the more common, and some colors more rare in general than others based on how well they could match armor, lol.


Implementing a wider color palate for wild animals (and please, lets keep stuff like this to CH's so we have something to go for, and not give it as an option to BE's, they already have their colors) is a relatively easy art fix, as is adding a variable for color. The variable is already there, since we see different basic shades already. But this is Star Wars, and the colors are BORING. We're talking alien creatures here, with alien diets and alien chemicals in their blood. They CAN have some very interesting variants, and some of them can be very rare.


For a simple one, take the cu pa and wasteland cu pa, which could have the same color scale. Have the color chances something like this:



  • Red (the color they are now) 60% (50% of them washed out, 30% of them mid-colored, 20% dark red, shade variant same for all colors following)

  • Sand colored 25%

  • Grey 10% (this one would be middle grey through black)

  • White 2% (light grey through white)

Face it, you know how much a snow white wasteland cu pa would be worth, with everyone begging for taun tauns.


This would only work if the colors were REAL colors, not the weak fades we have now. But think about it, all of the sudden we could get excited about finding a basic wrix again, if it was a color people would pay for. Make some cats striped, or spotted mutations. That GSP might not be worth much, but this matched pair of flame red ones is!


And the great thing is, they can increase the rarity trade not by retiring tamables, but by retiring colors. If a black graul mauler spawned for a couple of months and then stopped spawning, you know what the market would be like for them.


Thoughts, opinions?

Bajonett
Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:02 am
#2


If the colors are diffrent from the BE-Palette.. SURE !


Cool Idea.


But resonably, they can pin any love to any other prof except Jedi far behind JTL.




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Castillo
Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:18 am
#3


Just a quick point on the UO thing. There were only ever 4 types of nightmare (afterall, they were just black shaded versions of the 4 normal horse types). The only reason some became rare was due to a broken spawn system at various points over the years (the things would either be blocked from spawning or spawn in only one body type). The colours for all creatures were also completely random, there wasnt any conscious decision by the devs for some kind of rare system.


I think new colours coupled with rare creatures is a great idea, but there are technical issues that need to be addressed. During the BE revamp, colours for clones was a big issue for some BE and they were disappointed with the options we ended up with. Keldarin stated these colours were basically *all* we could have. Due to texture issues, some creatures just looked daft in certain colours (no white banthas etc.). Markings and such like were also off the menu, that required completely new art assets we have no hope of getting.
BlindTyldak
Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:44 am
#4

No, I know for a fact there were six, I had a long maned light one and a short maned mid one that I posed in a row with the other colors for screenshots for fan sites. They were very distinct. And Greywolfe made a post one time about the colors and rarity on the tamer forums. Of course that was years ago, and I don't remember what it said, but there was definielt a system to it, at least at some point in development. maybe not initially, but at least later.
Castillo
Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:03 am
#5


Somebody has used a Jedi mind trick on you BlindTyldark!


Check out the types of horse:


http://www.tamingarchive.com/tameables/horse.php


and the subsequent nightmares:


http://www.tamingarchive.com/tameables/nightmare.php


It came straight from Designer Oaks that there was no special coding for colour rarity. It only seemed that way eg. there were 48 different shades for a frenzied ostard, but people were usually only bothered about getting one either dark red or black. So if you were after a specific colour you had a 1 in 48 chance, but no colour was rarer than any other.


Vertexon
Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:50 pm
#6

I like it. Wouldn't mind seeing a bit of size and stat variation in wild pets either (not earth-shaking... just enough so all kusak stalkers aren't exact replicas of each other, etc). Keep the three equal HAM bars though... I like that.


But yeah, this would probably be something extremely low in priority. Like... almost as low as you can go (I'm still smarting after hearing winged mounts got blown out of the sky at FanFest )




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ratlif
Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:57 pm
#7

This all sounds good, hey any improvement for a ch sounds good but would it fly ? no...they would say this is a plan for BEs in the future to allow height adjustment and stuff since they can already color animals



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ZonJaiNezBA
Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:20 pm
#8

I like the idea, something to spice up the hunts, and give us a little variety.


I have always wanted some mini versions of some animals, even a 2 day old Mantigrue would be nice to have, maybe only cl14 or one of the those small Banthas at cl8 (not able to be mounted though). They already have the models in game as our creatures grow day to day. I don't care if this is a BE or CH (or better both) ability. I know people have asked to stunt the growth before, but come one the models are already in game. Sorry off topic.


I like the idea of varying colors (not shades) of creatures.




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SioBabble
Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:23 pm
#9

This seems to be in the game now.


My gurreck, or so I've been told, is a color that can't be found in the wild anymore, making it quite collectable. A friend DESPERATELY wanted to aquire my gurreck, but Nikita isn't some Grunda painting or a throw rug...he's one of my children.






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Abraxus666
Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:11 pm
#10

I'd love to have an albino Dewback or Cu-Pa. I'd call it Blinky


I'd like to see that introduced.



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Abraxus666
Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:12 pm
#11

It would also give CH a tonne of extra cash. Selling a white cupa to some for like 100k...wuff.



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OOM
Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:45 am
#12






BlindTyldak wrote:

Thoughts, opinions?





I like it. I don't have much to add but Ithinkthe concept of colour rarity is pretty neat.


I would love to have a pitch black cu pa.


Cheers,


Aitwexoeth


Message Edited by OOM on 06-07-2004 04:46 PM

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