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Thread: thanks but no thanks
Continually nerfing CH for balance? Your trying to make the game better for who? BH and commandos? Thanks. Guess im either faced with changing professions ( 3rd time) or quiting. I think i am going to quit. You have made the grind so boring and tedious that i dont think i have it in me to switch to commando. Which is what is what i am forced to do.
I cant PVP now because i cant afford the insurance for my high level equipment, cant afford to have my now no longer attainable kryat fwg5 be reduced to 0/990. I am a master ch and dueled a BH. i initiated the duel and started spamming /tellpet attack. I knew he was a BH and he knew i had pets out. 1 second later i was incapped and dead. 1 shot from him and it was over. Talk about an imbalance. And i wont even go into commandos- both of these professions can solo high level mobs. I saw 1 (one) commando soloing kryats the other night. He was getting all the loot of the ones that my group of 6 with pets out tried to attack because he would do rediculous amounts of damage and get the loots. The only way you will keep me paying Sony every month is if the BH and commando nerfs are next.
Though I agree with the gripe about constant CH nerfing, I have to point out that the way to go is not to call for nerfs on other classes. That just makes everything go downhill from there. Perhaps what should be focussed on is what strengths CH's bring to the table and where our limitations are.
I believe this: Our main strength is that we are masters of PvE.
Sure, a commando can do massive amounts of damage to one single krayt, but can he handle 2? 3? A CH, with a bit of work, can. The Commando is designed to do a massive amount of damage, but generally only to a single target. Or limited multiples if they have Flame Cone. But against heat-resistant multiple targets? Forget it. Call the CH! Or the Commando dabbles in CH (same point).
Sure, a BH can incap and kill you in one or two shots, but that's kinda how their class is centered. We as CH are not meant to go up 1:1 vs someone who can kill you with one or two shots. The factors that would put you on even footing with the BH (possibly) won't be from the CH profession, but from the other professions you mix into it. Even then, it's a tough chance tomatch a BH at his own game - PvP. But then again, it's a tough chance for that BH to equal us at our game - soloing PvE. Sure, he can do it some (probably by dabbling in CH), but he will never equal a MCH who knows his stuff and knows how to work it.
I don't see the CH as the Big Bad of PvP. Sure, with our pets as distractions, we rely on other professions and skills to do the actual killing in PvP, just as other professions rely on us for PvE. But, never is it a doubt that CH's are the masters (and mistresses) of PvE.
i kinda disagree with people about us being on the lower end in PvP, you just need to be a total wuss to get it right. /tellpet attack and run out of range, or just start duel/reg. PvP outside of range and send in pet(s). Easy money, works best with rancor seeing as they incap people w/ or without armor in about 2-5 hits. Or gurreck if you think they will run from your pet(theres no escaping a gurreck).
Our proffession isnt getting nerfed in the next update, just tweaked those of us who want to go all the way in CH should be happy.
The BH'ers are very powerful and I learned that the hard way. I was in the spaceport and watched as a BH take out a poor sap and his Gaping Spider Hunter. Well it was taking the BH quite a while to take out the GSH and I didn't want to see the vitality of the spider go to 0, so I tossed a heal on it.
BAM!
Next thing I knew I was in the cloning stationwith 5% decay on my items. I have to say that I was the sap this time. I learned my lesson and will not butt into someones eles' trouble unless I am prepared to do some battle.
However, I do think that I should have at least had a chance to fight. It seems that eye shot is just too powerful.
You don't understand what this patch does.
The CH nerf is a killer for BHs, like me. Masters have 33 points to spend outside of BH. Right now, at 0444 BH, 0000 Nov Medic, and 3210 CH, I have 1 skill point remaining. Currently I can call a Mauler. With the nerf, I'll only be able to call a GSP (unless they raise its level). The CH nerf does NOTHING to MCHs except give them control of pets' SPECIALS. For BH, or Commandos, it takes away their abilities to have high level pets. I'm going to have to drop CH altogether, unless it's worth dropping Nov Medic completely for the ability to control a Mynock, which it isn't.
Your prof just got a boost because the people this "nerf" hurts is everyone but CH, and you're still complaining. It's funny.
Mafaza wrote:
Oh and BTW, now that you've mastered CH, try doing the same for BH and tell us which is easier (5 months from now).
And again, you rock in PvP. That's the point, and no one is really begrudging BHs specifically, or if they are, it's the merits of a game which includes unhealable and spammable specials such as mind-attacks. Why compare? You rock PvP, we own PvE.
And what would you rather they did - nerf the grauls?
Name one otherprofession where you get the BEST special that profession has to offer with Novice + 5 skill boxes. If you think of creatures that are high-level meaning specials, then you can see that not allowing lower-leveled people to get ultra-high-poweredspecials is a must for every profession.
I killed 3 krayts back to back. dabble in commando get mch, everything burns
Laeren wrote:
Sure, a commando can do massive amounts of damage to one single krayt, but can he handle 2? 3? A CH, with a bit of work, can. The Commando is designed to do a massive amount of damage, but generally only to a single target. Or limited multiples if they have Flame Cone. But against heat-resistant multiple targets? Forget it. Call the CH! Or the Commando dabbles in CH (same point).
Mafaza wrote:
Hey I'm all for the CH nerf, even though that means I have to give up my pets (s'pose I shoulda mentioned that). I'm also for a similar balancing with BH, in which BH isn't so easily dabbled and Mastery is so meaningless. All professions should be like this.
good for you. I'm in agreement. I'll happily die to eyeshot spammers in PvP if they move it to the master box. why shouldn't the most devastating PvP special in the entire game be in the master box? am I the only one that thinks this?
same with CH. a commando who dabbles enough into CH to get a graul mauler is by far the most powerful PvE machine, and commandos on their own are an awesome PvP machine. this build SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE.
all and all these so called nerfs (I prefer the term rebalancing, since nerf implies making something useless) are doing is getting rid of some overpowered dabbling combos. frankly, I just don't think 26 skillpoints (22 if you're a wookie or you have some good skill mod clothes) should be enough to get you the best kinetic tank in the game.
Here's my piece, as I am working for MBH and have CH skills (2-2-0-0) and I'm a wookie.
First of all, I can't wear armor. OMG! Nerf every other race b/c I can't wear armor! That isn't the answer. Niether is nerfing the BH class because you got owned in a few seconds.
Do you realize just how many skillpoints it takes to master BH?? Do you realize how few are left? BHs only have 33!! 33 Skill Points left over. A Master CH has 144 skill points left over to dabble in.
BHs are a class that is designed to be able to take out any target, solo. But with our poor defenses (even at MBH, an artisan has higher defense stats than MBH) we cannot do much. Then add the fact I, as a wookie, cannot wear armor, we still aren't nearly as powerful as we should be.
A CH, however, is meant to have creatures atack for them.CHs can attack too, as I do, but that doesn't mean that I whine whenever I get owned in PvP when I have a creatue out.
Do you not remember how hard it was for Obi Wan to duel Jango Fett? Jango gave a freaking Jedi a hard time, and almost won. Now, I'm not saying we should be all-powerful Gods or anything, but 217 Skillpoints should make someone pretty dang powerful...
Honestly, I would like to see Eyeshot moved to MBH so all the little Pistoleers and other dabblers won't be able to use such a powerful attack, but I don't know if that's gonnna ever happen.
So, pretty much, as much time as a BH spends grinding, especially when the Investigation tree has been bugged since the release of the game and takes most people literally over 300 hours of gameplay, we should be pretty powerful. I hear in these forums all the time about how people get MCH in a few days. It takes weeks to get MBH, and that's playing for hours and hours every day.
So please, stop crying NERF!! when you have no clue what you are talking about.