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Thread: CH a supporting skill???
sorry to let you down like this but... Yes CH is a support role, that's why you have enough exp to master a companion profession like pistoleer or rifle or medic or combat medic or whatever.
if you feal that you want to be an elite profession, then go for Master Ranger/CH combo
Message Edited by Sooty on 02-12-2004 02:03 PM
Isnt it suport in the way that it isnt you doing the combat it is the pets and it also suports your combat skills if you got some. You can use your gun and pet at the same time but you cant use a Sword and a Gun at the same time. So in that aspekt it is a suport skill but it still is a combat profession because it is a profession that suports you in combat whith doing combat for you. A CH doesnt have to do Combat on his own but if he only uses pets then he wont get in the combat so therefor i think it is a suport profession and i dont think of that as being something bad. What does it matter if it is a suport profession or not? It is one of the greates professions in game with lots of power and lots of fun IMO.
Maybe im wrong but thats how i see things.
Areih
Hmmm, I think part of my point has been missed. It's not that I just objected to CH being called a support skill, I objected to any profession being called a support skill. (Ok, as MCH I do particularly object to CH being called "support" 
). I could argue that all the professions are support skills, because asI pointed out we all support each other in one way or another.
But, again, I do understand what SWG means by support skill - one that supports combat. Or so I define support skill. On that basis alone, CH is not a support skill. (CH may be the least effective of the combat professions, but it is a combat profession). However, the problem I have with the term "support skill" is the way I often see it used. That is, there is the explicit implication that a support skill is some how inferior to - well, whatever the opposite would be. There is a mind set that the combat profession is superior to all the other professions. Some of the replies in this thread bear this out.
So, back to my original contention that calling CH a "support skill" is condescending, derogatory, and just plain wrong.
it isnt a bad thing but it is a reality. Coupling CH with any other combat skill greatly increases the power of that skill in taking out monsters and people. (if u cant figure out how to use pet specials in PVE/PVP there is no help for ya. its called followtarget and use the commands once they are in melee range). call CH a combat enhancer if you want to quible and play semantics.
CH provides a means of transferring damage from you to something else. a pet is a piece of walking armour that can soak up damage and distract targets. if you cant undestand that or like it go do a different skill. but CH is a pure support profession.
i will re-iterate it ISNT a bad thing. because what WILL happen if the tards get their way is that SOE will up the damage on pets and lower their ability to tank by the same ammount. you are NOT going to get both. i for one would rather have a tanking pet than a damage pet. its not rocket science here folks.
Barb-Wire wrote:
CH is not a combat skill. it wont ever be one. what it is is a skill that supports your other skill(s). it is a support skill in the same sense a medic or doctor or CM is a support skill.
it isnt a bad thing but it is a reality. Coupling CH with any other combat skill greatly increases the power of that skill in taking out monsters and people. (if u cant figure out how to use pet specials in PVE/PVP there is no help for ya. its called followtarget and use the commands once they are in melee range). call CH a combat enhancer if you want to quible and play semantics.
CH provides a means of transferring damage from you to something else. a pet is a piece of walking armour that can soak up damage and distract targets. if you cant undestand that or like it go do a different skill. but CH is a pure support profession.
i will re-iterate it ISNT a bad thing. because what WILL happen if the tards get their way is that SOE will up the damage on pets and lower their ability to tank by the same ammount. you are NOT going to get both. i for one would rather have a tanking pet than a damage pet. its not rocket science here folks.
It sure doesn't do a GREAT job of supporting our other skills. I don't consider CH a support profession. Why? It takes 2 trees in scout line to be a CH. While the combat professions only take one unless you're taking an elite profession. So you're telling me that TKA, Swordsman, Fencer, Pikeman, Rifleman, Pistoleer, and Carbineers are ALL support professions too? What's your definition of support?
If I remember correctly our pets are just meat shields, they also output dmg. Even though they aren't great compared to the combat professions, I consider CH a mix of support and combat period. There's just no straight out saying that CH is a support profession. Why not call CH a support/trading/combat profession? More of a hybrid of all 3 of those.
Barb-Wire wrote:
CH is not a combat skill. it wont ever be one. what it is is a skill that supports your other skill(s). it is a support skill in the same sense a medic or doctor or CM is a support skill.
it isnt a bad thing but it is a reality. Coupling CH with any other combat skill greatly increases the power of that skill in taking out monsters and people. (if u cant figure out how to use pet specials in PVE/PVP there is no help for ya. its called followtarget and use the commands once they are in melee range). call CH a combat enhancer if you want to quible and play semantics.
CH provides a means of transferring damage from you to something else. a pet is a piece of walking armour that can soak up damage and distract targets. if you cant undestand that or like it go do a different skill. but CH is a pure support profession.
i will re-iterate it ISNT a bad thing. because what WILL happen if the tards get their way is that SOE will up the damage on pets and lower their ability to tank by the same ammount. you are NOT going to get both. i for one would rather have a tanking pet than a damage pet. its not rocket science here folks.
Course you would rather have a Tanking pet then a Damage pet... You are a Master Rifleman... That fits YOUR combat style... And if the "tards" got their way dont you think there May perhaps be a happy medium? Cant there be a Pet that Tanks and a Pet that Damages?
btw you are No rocket Scientist...
I think what we have here is a failure to communicate 
Or possibly we really should define our terms.
A combat profession is one that has skills/weapons that allows one to engage in combat. Yes? No?
Examples of professions that do not have skills that allow one to engage in combat: architect, politician (mud slinging doesn't count as combat ), entertainer, medic (unless they specialize as a combat medic). Though correct me if I'm mistaken. I have only passing familiarity with those professions, but I don't recall seeing any combat skills in their skill trees.
Examples of combat professions are self-evident, because they obviouslyprovide combat skills and weapons. Except it seems that people over look that the Creature Handler professiondoes, in fact, provide weapons that allows one to engage in combat. Thoseweapons are the pets. Pets have one purpose and one purpose only: to engage in combat - either attacking or defending. (Ok, ok, pets are companions, they're fun to have, etc. etc. but you get the point). If that doesn't make Creature Handler a combat profession then something is really, really wrong here