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Thread: Board mentality

Tharro
Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:19 pm
#1

I'm going to hit some people hard with this post but as it is stated they do the same to all the rest. This is also a general problem for the boards.


Everywhere you see you have 80% of the post with just flame and without any reasonable explanation. I also know the most of you are angry because the adjustements made to the game. Have to say it doesn't well to call un-nerf and nerf those are just signs of imaturaty. Grow up and give comments but with some reasoning and by staying polite. It isn't that dificult and you get a bigger chance that TH comes over the post and gives answers. Being friendly brings it further than being an **self-edit**. So just try it and stop flaming and spamming junk, this brings us more in the bad light and our little chances to get something changed to hit zero chance.


Don't misunderstand, I don't give SOE fully right but as it is now only flames to them isn't the way to go. If you don't have something friendly to say or unfriendly in a polite manner just keep shut or learn how to put some polite post instead of swinging the bat to them. There are some good posts and they are also asking for un-nerfing but they keep polite.


Take example to those posts, even as a frustated CH I'm getting more frustrated by the looks of the boards. And as all have said you don't see the red names much here so this frustation isn't from SOE, but from all those stupid posts with only unpolite flames.


And I know already that there are lots of flames comming to this, but it doesn't care me much. As soon as I see a flame I just ignore it from now on, makes it a lot more easier to scan the whole board in less time. And if you are going to the spelling of my english be my guest I'm no native English writer so it doesn't care to me.



Don't let hatred fill your mind,
Ydyp Ieva.

Master Squad Leader/Rifleman/Creature Handler (going Squad Leader/Ranger, yep I like to be a sucky char just wait for the combat balance )
Stakk-Galaxian
Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:34 pm
#2

I agree 100% that people should make posts and replies constructive and remain calm and polite.


I don't agree with the theory that devs, moderaters, representivies or whatever do not post/reply here becuase of the way that people make posts here. Remember that a large portion of players may read the forums, but only a small percent of all creature handlers actually post and reply, do you think that SOE are going to 'punish'all players of this profession becuase of the ones that post here in a rude manner? i really dont think so, if this IS the case then the only people that really need to grow up are the ones dishing outthe 'punishment'.



Anoo
Rodian Master Creature Handler, Pistoleer and Tracker in the Farstar Galaxy
Tamed Rares: Arachne Widow, Swamp Stalker, Thune Grassland Guardian

Stakk Galaxian
Zabrak Medic and Teras Kasi Artist in the Chimaera Galaxy
TivoTenook
Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:44 am
#3


courtesy, patience, and trust will get you no where but deeper into their grasp. in order to get results, we deserve respect. as of right now, we...the players of this game...the people who are paying for their carelessness...we are getting none.


"Its well beyond rage" - Braveheart

Message Edited by TivoTenook on 04-23-2004 01:45 AM



Tivo Tenook (Lowca)
- Master CH/Master Rifleman
- SWG player since 7/6/03
- Rebel Alliance 2nd Lieutenant
- 87 Badges
*Official JTL Protester*
MrHawat
Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:30 am
#4


If you have been around these boards as long as I have, you will know that being nice does not work either. Alot of us old timers remember when we tried that months ago. We were still ignored. We have bugs that have been around since release. The general pattern from SOE has been ask for list of "Concerns" take list and do nothing, then turn around and ask for list of "Concerns" again. Rinse and repeat. This pattern has been going on since release. We never got any more attention to our polite, thought out, suggestions and requests than we get to the rants and flames. We still get nerfs and no fixes with every publish. Did you see anything in the latest note for CH? We got two mounts in the last one. In reality BE's got two mounts because they made the wild ones CL 11 and above. So, if a non-ch wants one they have to go to BE. Good for the BE bad for the CH. This is typical SOE behavior. They really want this profession to die out.


KOOLLAYD
Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:48 am
#5

WhatI find perhaps the most interesting when surfing these boards is the term old timers being used alot. This game is not that old for that term to be thrown around so lightly in my opinion. Having been in differnt gaming communities over the last several years back when voodoo 2 cards were the bomb in those days and having also remembering all the trouble EQ had in it's begining years the one thing I can say is that people have to understand that it is still in it's so called beginning stages. Just because it's out of beta doesn't mean nothing and anyone who has been around in online gaming will tell you it takes atleast a good two years to even begin to start ironing out all the kinks in an mmorpg based game. It's one thing when you see the term used based off ones own gaming history and experiances, but when I see it constantly used in the context of being an SWG old timer I find that to be an utter joke in itself. I am not saying that to intentionally be insulting to anyone who has used the term, but mearly pointing out that you should wait til the game has had an actual life span before throwing it around the way some of you. AnywayI just finally had to get that off my chest.



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TivoTenook
Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:02 am
#6

old timer or no old timer, there is still no excuse why the devs or producers cant fix the baby issue overnight.


/turn on all babies under CL 70



Tivo Tenook (Lowca)
- Master CH/Master Rifleman
- SWG player since 7/6/03
- Rebel Alliance 2nd Lieutenant
- 87 Badges
*Official JTL Protester*
KOOLLAYD
Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:10 am
#7






TivoTenook wrote:

old timer or no old timer, there is still no excuse why the devs or producers cant fix the baby issue overnight.


/turn on all babies under CL 70






Gotta keep in mind this game requires alot of coding and recoding and for all that there is no reason they can't fix the droid issue over night either if that was the case. I meanI don't know about any ofyou, butI am tired of owning a droid who is one minute doo doo brown and the next coochie pink. lol



- "It isn't wise to upset a wookiee."
-Official Sponsor Of My Killing You.

TOTALLY AGAINST THE PU AND EVERYONE WHO PLAYED A PART IN THE KILLING OF WHAT WAS ONCE A GOOD AND RARE GAME AMONG MANY. WELCOME ALL TO THE CHEEP CARBON COPY OF EQ WITH A STAR WARS MAKE OVER. COME AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT
Your voice counts!FOR BRINGING BACK THE ACTUAL GAME WE ALL PAID FOR!!!!
(gnn[[[[[[[[[[]nnnWX9&ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg)


fantoq
Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:31 am
#8






KOOLLAYD wrote:





TivoTenook wrote:

old timer or no old timer, there is still no excuse why the devs or producers cant fix the baby issue overnight.


/turn on all babies under CL 70






Gotta keep in mind this game requires alot of coding and recoding and for all that there is no reason they can't fix the droid issue over night either if that was the case. I meanI don't know about any ofyou, butI am tired of owning a droid who is one minute doo doo brown and the next coochie pink. lol





Not at all. There's a big difference between coding and updating tables. An SQL update or even an old-fashioned run through every record and change it takes only a matter of minutes to accomplish. I probably do a few a month in a wide variety of data types over several hundred K records and it takes no time at all. It does take the desire to do it, however. Shoot, you could filter through the 200 or so non-baby creatures by hand and set the hasbabies flag and frequency before morning coffee is done. But it has to make the project list.


As far as the two years go, look at the MMOGs that haven't made it that long. Making excuses for bugs being the norm is a poor answer. It's unacceptable. When I look at the scope of the space expansion, it's obvious that it is a lot of work. But you can't make the resources for this game that thin to build the SE and expect quality. It's not the devs, but management.


And the tenor of the boards is one of frustration and poor communication. Vertexon isn't an employee of SOE and what we see from employees is generally some diatribe about nothingness. Some vaguely written fluff lacking detail and knowledge. I forwarded one to a tech-writer friend who replied back that it was nice public relations work. Yep, baffle em with....





fantoq
MCH
former Medic
App. Carbineer
Society of Interplanetary Mercenaries[SIM]/ stargate/ naboo
taloncard
Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:30 am
#9

I agree with your setimentens but it doesn't work.
TH isn't even answereing his own threads anymore. We have tried mutiple stragies to get some answers while I won't give them away 1 worked for 1 post.

The problem at this point is that there is no real communication Between the players and SOE management.

The chain is supposed to work

Management - Devs - TH- Correspondents - players

we know the link is broken above the correspondent level, however we don't know how high. If TH were to post that he isn't getting answers he would be in jepoardy of loseing his job. So he just doesn't post so we will never know.

They hide behind the excuse of "we don't want to be flamed" well to provide an parellel that some can understand picture a Person who has baracaded himself into a house. You now have mutiple rescue and PD out side trying to communicate with said person who won't communicate. As time goes on do you think that PD is gonna get nicer or closer to breaking down his door and draging his ass out?

I think most people are at the Drag their asses to a computer and make them post some answers that aren't vaigue and subject to mutiple interpretations.




Severan T'iam (Valcyn) RIP 7/2/2003-5/8/2005.
Master Nerf herder (oops I mean CH oops CH is gone but never forgotten)
SWG: Quote: Grand moff Tarkin: The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. you my friend are all thats left of their religon. Except for the other 5000 over there...


SkyPreacher1
Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:10 am
#10

Well said talon,


And think of all the nice things they have said about us? I wonder who started the flame fest or should i say the poke fest? TH is a coward plain and simple, JustG is out of touch with reality. I say it over and over what has happened is that the A-team is off SWG and onto SE because SOE is up to it's nose is doggy doo and needs to get another game on the market. I will not buy SE, at the moment I am seriously thinking of leaving. I have been playing the beta of COH and you know it has less bugs. I have hung on for a year I am still hanging in there but until some communication and bug issues are fixed being in game has become a no brainer. In fact I have been playing MVP 2004 on my own rather than get frustrated with SWG. Sad isn't it.





....and then no matter how hard we get nerfed, we still keep CH because we are still some of the coolest characters on the game.

BOYCOTTING JUMP TO LIGHTSPEED UNTIL COMBAT BALANCE AND GCW REVAMP!
SWG: Quote: Grand moff Tarkin: The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. you my friend are all thats left of their religon. Except for the other 5000 over there...
Blazr
Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:21 am
#11

You guys have tried intelligent, sensible, well thought out responses and issues in the past. Nothing was done except for MCH's to be greatly weakened. All the MCH haters ranted and immaturely posted about how they hated us, and they were listened to. So basically Tivo hit the nail on the head unfortunately. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, there's no way around that old saying, it's just human nature.


Spam on Tivo, at least they'll hear us!




"Ranting and raving will get us nowhere" <===== HA! it worked for the nerf callers!
TivoTenook
Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:27 pm
#12

Talon and Blazr:


/applaud


...now back to me and my two swords...





Tivo Tenook (Lowca)
- Master CH/Master Rifleman
- SWG player since 7/6/03
- Rebel Alliance 2nd Lieutenant
- 87 Badges
*Official JTL Protester*
taloncard
Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:16 pm
#13

Tharro
Notice you haven't gotten flamed, just mature well though out responses to your statement.

We aren't all drooling hatemongers that like to stir the pot as you can see. But when well thought out calm things are met by silence and indefference we get a little fiesty




Severan T'iam (Valcyn) RIP 7/2/2003-5/8/2005.
Master Nerf herder (oops I mean CH oops CH is gone but never forgotten)
SWG: Quote: Grand moff Tarkin: The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. you my friend are all thats left of their religon. Except for the other 5000 over there...


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