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Thread: Garva is right.

Ekaw
Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:55 am
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Come guys. People don't act up i real life they way they act up on the internet. I have no idea what got people banned, but JTL is considered an intellectual property right owned by SOE. Pretty much we pay to play THEIR game. They are nice enough to let us do it (well, and they make a little change too). If you sign a legal doc saying you wont talk about JTL and you do, you are hosed. Someone said they lean of that agreement in a post? Yeah just about as much asa divorcee in a prenuptual agreement. You better believe they do. And they should.


Now we should be constructive andditch the conspiracy theories in my opinion. That is the MAJOR thing I do not like about this board (oh they hate us!). No they don't. They love us as we give them income to live day to day.


Are we gonna be second bananna to JTL? You are darn skippie. They need the next cash cow to keep this lil game running. The more players the better for everyone involved. JTL is not a bad thing.


That is the truth. Thunderhearts chat was not over the top, I would have responded tohe same way if someone was demanding answers and to be honest that sounded like some inside gaming magazine grilling him for inside info, the next big scoop. The major thing we as a community have to realize is that they have delivered a pretty darn good game, it is not broken, it does need tweaking. but honestly, there is nothing else truly like it to date. (Yeah great there are other mmorpgs coming out, but who cares? If it was not for the SW content, I would not be here inthe first place.)


I mean this game won game of the year honors last year, we need to get off our high horses "the world owes us everything" attitudes and realize that it does not.


There are OVERLY GOOD IDEAS on this board that get muttled down with snide comments about the devs.


I would ignore us too if I saw those type of remarks.


So, at any rate, this is just advice to all. Treat folks on the internet (SOE Devs Included) the way you would treat someone in person. The internet is not a freebie that makes you billy bad arse. And seriously, if you are going to complain (as opposed to offering constructive critisism), go play another game, stop paying them, that would work right?


I mean seriously, I am embarrassed that there is a post at the top of this board that is like a teacher scolding their class. In second grade that might be expected, but I am 30 guys and gals and I suspect many of you are as well.


Now, I hope this post is not considered a rant, so if I get banned I will see you guys at a later date. But I do bellieve that we need to get it straight who is in control here, SOE runs the show. It is their playground we play on, not ours. We just pay the rent.


cya.





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jopenack
Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:00 pm
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was thinking the same thing, its ok to rant an troll when someones defending you hmm i sense bias here



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GarVa
Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:02 pm
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Pem wrote:

Has anyone noticed that the "/WAVETO Garva" post has been locked with the response to stay on topic, yet this one has not?








Sorry I was busy with other post and just got to this one Be nice to each other is just as much a rule as the other stuff guys, thanks.






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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:02 pm Post subject:

Ekaw i was actually replien to the post above the one in which u speak ah drgn something lol



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:08 am Post subject:






Ekaw wrote:


Now we should be constructive andditch the conspiracy theories in my opinion. That is the MAJOR thing I do not like about this board (oh they hate us!). No they don't. They love us as we give them income to live day to day.






well, they can consider themselves unloved and $30 bucks less a month. regardless of conspiracy theories, love/hate, peace/war/savethewhales, the game still plain and simple sucks. Its like its still in beta. come on
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:08 am Post subject:

You gotta be kidding me right.

You really can't be a CH. No one is that gullible.



....and then no matter how hard we get nerfed, we still keep CH because we are still some of the coolest characters on the game.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:09 am Post subject:

Everyone stay nice. Lets prove we can do this without a flame fest



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:17 am Post subject:






Ekaw wrote:


If it was not for the SW content, I would not be here inthe first place.






yup me too. but let me ask you a question. if they removed the SW content and this was held up as a game in its own right would you still play?


i doubt i would. im a SW nut and i know its the only reason that i bought this game. i also know its the only reason that i stay. this game is 3rd rate and RELIES on a 30 year old film to keep its customers here. thats the end of my rant. how long do i get banned for?





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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:19 am Post subject:


Come one man, get real.


Now I won't say the game is broken, but to say it doesn't need to be tweaked is utter blasphemy. Go to the smuggler, pistoleer, and CH boards. Then tell me it doesn't need some tweaking.


Furthermore, one of the primary points in reference to the NDA was not that he was unjustly banned, but because it was a display of inconsistent policy on behalf of the developers and community representatives. Several people have come out and discussed BETA in a positive tone without being subject to a ban.


Secondly, issues involving resource allocation in reference to JTL is a warranted concern for those of us who are paying for SWG, and have been fed some sort of empty and false remarks for many months now. I think their frustratin is justified. Conspiracy? Probably not, but serious negligence? Definitely.


Thirdly, DEVS and community reps should not ignore the boards despite how many flames. I assume these people are adults, and if they're not they should grow up. Come on! A grown man/woman, especially in acommunity representative position,should be able to handle several levels of virtual criticism, no matter how inflammatory, without departing from their community representative duties.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:22 am Post subject:

if hes right how come no one else is being banned for saying JTL is good many from beta have said this


rules apply to all not just one



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:29 am Post subject:

and seriously, I though about posting that before I did it. I am a long time CH but I just think we need to have a little humility.


Not gullable, just living in the real world. I really think you guys are great and have great ideas, there are just better ways to get those ideas across.


I wont take anything you guys say as a flame, I have been through it all on the web.



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:33 am Post subject:

LOL

HUMBLE, lol, we have been humbled. Heck we have been humiliated and there is a world of difference there my friend.


Our great ideas have netted us exactly what?

Name me one thing that wasn't done because the rest of the SWG community, Jedi in particular, didn't start whining about long after it was an issue with us?


Hmmmm not one! So yeah we have a right to be jaded.


Besides I haven't went and played for days now because there is no content for a MCH to do other than get mission, kill, get mission, kill rinse and repeat till you barf.



....and then no matter how hard we get nerfed, we still keep CH because we are still some of the coolest characters on the game.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:42 am Post subject:


I'm with ya Ekaw. I'm also with the ranters and I'll tell you why. I love to listen to grown ppl cry about how a game is not the way they want it when they want it. To me it's like watching a little kid in the middle of a toy store on the ground kicking and screaming about how he wants the purple power rangerwhile his mother stands embarrassed as onlookers just shake their head and smirk. The ranters do bring up a "FEW" good points, but to actually cry (rant) about it is hilarious to me. Things like "OMG" andwhat notbeing used in reference to changes made or the state of their profession brings me much entertainment. To actually suggest that the people working for SOE have malicious designs for the players that choose CH as a proffesion is the greatest source of amusement for me.I for one hope I can read the posts before they are banned so that my day can be brightened by otherppl's biggest problems in life being not a good pvp profession and what not. All that aside perhaps they do hate us. Maybe one of the designers was at one point in their life an intern at a circus under an animal trainer. As the future designer's stock rose with his teacher, he was allowed more freedom with the animals and was doing well untill, dun dun DUNNNN!!!! Yea well anyway that scenario seems unlikely and I'm going to go ahead and say no. I'd prefer to read constructive posts any day of the week. To the ranters I say rant on so that I may be amused. To those that make good posts and inform me on kewl junk grats.



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:52 am Post subject:

what you fail to notice is most of the ranters are also the ones who have created constructive post


they are the ones who have helped most people here and have started very interesting and intellegent threads some of wich mount, corals, and not to mention even chosen to be on TC by vert


tell me is Tivo a ranter?? hmm is that a word lol


and Sky has started many threads to help the ch in the form of constructive ideas


there are many more peoplebut i dont want to write a novel lol


the ranters being banned our some of our most respected and constructive posters.





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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:54 am Post subject:

"So yeah we have a right to be jaded."


Yes, we do, but the devs have a right to ignore poor attitudes and demands as well. Sadly, we are not in a democracy here and politics come into play. Check out Vladimir Putin and the leaders of the Russian states right now. If they don't agree, down they go it seems.


Playing the politics on the boards will get us further than any other approach in this game. And seriously, Sky (I Think I buy BE pets from you so I hope you are not mad at meh lol) if someone was pushing me and pushing me for something to get done I would be more stubborn than any mule about it, but I don't think that is what is happening here with SOE.


I think they are truly focused on JTL. That, as hard as it might be to see for everyone is better for the game as a whole that just focusing on what is broken RIGHT NOW. With more players, there are more funds available for development.


I am not saying, nor will I ever say that the DEVs have been upfront about things with us or even thrown us a bone (except for the docs that are supposed to come out soon) but they do have their priorities and I am sure their priorities are not us right now.


The economics of it are clear. They will never say that to us, because they would be stupid to say that to us, but it is true.


I do believe they wil get to us sooner or later, but I think economically other things take prescidence right now. Until then I will go and tame my bull baby while I am waiting, we have a little time it seems.





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Pem
Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:58 am
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Has anyone noticed that the "/WAVETO Garva" post has been locked with the response to stay on topic, yet this one has not?

Ekaw
Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:59 am
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jopenack wrote:

what you fail to notice is most of the ranters are also the ones who have created constructive post


they are the ones who have helped most people here and have started very interesting and intellegent threads some of wich mount, corals, and not to mention even chosen to be on TC by vert


tell me is Tivo a ranter?? hmm is that a word lol


and Sky has started many threads to help the ch in the form of constructive ideas


there are many more peoplebut i dont want to write a novel lol


the ranters being banned our some of our most respected and constructive posters.









I said I enjoy their posts and appreciate what they do for the community, but if it was a broken JTL nondisclose agreement, then they knew the consequences. That is a legal contract, I am not in the beta but I have been in many betas before for other games. I said I had no idea why each individual was banned.



Also, this changes nothing about how the politics of the forums should be handled. We just need to use our heads on the forums, as they are not our forums.



NOW, that means nothing about posting somewhere like swgcreatures.com that is the place to rant for the CH.



OK, sry I am not replying any more or posting anymore today. Take care guys.




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