Creature Handler Archive
Thread: The fox is guarding the hen house.
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P9M
Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:02 pm
#1
All of the negative Thunderheart posts have been locked or deleted. So let us take a different approach.
Old AD&Ders will recognize the saying "Never let the thief cook". It seems that it is human nature to take what you can where you can. Since most of us CHers recognize some will do us more harm than others we should without a doubt be skeptics when certain people gain more power than they deserve. Trust is a real issue right now.
In the promotion speech from Q3PO a certain person was recognized as fighting for professions. This does not hold true for CH. This certain person has done all he can to damage our profession. To include calling our pets cowards. This pet running away bug has never been fixed. He turns a blind eye to our profession because he wants us to suffer. It is very likely we will recieve more damage with this person in power.
Old AD&Ders will recognize the saying "Never let the thief cook". It seems that it is human nature to take what you can where you can. Since most of us CHers recognize some will do us more harm than others we should without a doubt be skeptics when certain people gain more power than they deserve. Trust is a real issue right now.
In the promotion speech from Q3PO a certain person was recognized as fighting for professions. This does not hold true for CH. This certain person has done all he can to damage our profession. To include calling our pets cowards. This pet running away bug has never been fixed. He turns a blind eye to our profession because he wants us to suffer. It is very likely we will recieve more damage with this person in power.
raynedog
Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:16 pm
#2
I don't know about you but I work at a job that has a boss, and that boss tells me what I can spend time on at any given moment. i don't such much think TH is out to get us, rather it is the policy of the Dev staff that Ch is not an important issue right now. I would like to think he's brought it up ain meetings and has been told "not right now"
Even though the "fixes" that make into the patches are scetchy, some fixes do make it, so someone is pulling for us. This is not to say that we don't need a lot of work, but to think that TH actually has it in for us, seems like if that where true, why?
Visit a few other boards such as Ranger and you'll see that they feel like they get no love as well. I think Our best chance to be heard is during CB.
Like I said there is tons that needs done to our prof, but to think that TH has it in for us seems far fetched.
The CH community is awsome and i'm sureduring CB and GCW revamp we will make our vocies loud and clear, then after that, if no response is offered, I may be more likley to see a darker power at work here.
Aakhperkare
Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:24 pm
#3
Dude, P9M. I think you need to calm down just a little. It's not like TH is in a super high level of power and is planning on making things worse for just CH's. The game itself is in disarray.His comments about CH were from complete ignorance, not necessarily because he dislikes the profession itself. I think he hated the fact that we were pissed at him (and still are) more than anything.
digiwrath
Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:02 pm
#4
well, looks like the mods are having fun with the delete button.
anything that doesn't contain "w00t! 0mgz! TH j00 g0 m4n! w00t!!!1" mysteriously vanishes. and i meananything.
BlindTyldak
Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:03 pm
#5
Well, this one should be safe then. 
Just remember, whenever something doesn't go right, it's all Snowball's fault.
Galacium
Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:33 pm
#6
P9M
Sir, your are about 100% clue free. Your posts that were locked were about the worst series of non-sense I've seen on these boards and I've seen quite a lot of that recently. You've stated you arn't even playing the game, are you just trolling? Certainly there is no real substantce to your posts. It's none of your buisness as to who gets promoted at SOE and who dosn't. This non-sense about TH hating CH is simply childish. Although I could certainly understand how he might not like players like you.
These tirades or yours will do nothing but attract people like me who simply like arguing on boards. They will not engender any love or responce from official folks other than to get your posts locked. If your just trolling then congrats on consistant inflamitory material of little real relavence.
P9M
Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:22 pm
#7
Gala,
I will concede the point that things may seem irrelevant to you. You probably realize that relevance is subjective and based upon a personal perspective. Since you only approach CH from your relativist point of view, it clearly shows that you have no problem with CH.
You are a danger to CH everywhere. Since you like arguing for no apparent reason, then you my friend are the troll. Since I can post here it means my account is still active. If my account is still active then I have a right to try to fight for what I believe is right. This may seem like a circular argument. It is fact, not. I wish for CH's to get respect. In order for TH to get respect he must give it. Since he does not wish to respect us, I feel no allegiance to respect him.
If he wants support from long time CH's he should and would apologize for his past transgressions. I feel no need to make my apology first or support someone on blind faith. Jeassa said we should give him the benefit of the doubt. I have not given him benefit since the nerf rumor started and I will not now. He plainly took our role away, nerfed our class and slandered us. He told the Devs what the community at large wanted to see but harsly ignored the CH community. This is our profession. We should be responisble for the change. Not the other communities. After all the world does not elect the president of the sweet ol' USA while not listening to the American populace.
You clearly point out that you like to arugue for the sake of argument. Even if I am wrong, who is the fool me for being foolish or you for arguing with me??
I will concede the point that things may seem irrelevant to you. You probably realize that relevance is subjective and based upon a personal perspective. Since you only approach CH from your relativist point of view, it clearly shows that you have no problem with CH.
You are a danger to CH everywhere. Since you like arguing for no apparent reason, then you my friend are the troll. Since I can post here it means my account is still active. If my account is still active then I have a right to try to fight for what I believe is right. This may seem like a circular argument. It is fact, not. I wish for CH's to get respect. In order for TH to get respect he must give it. Since he does not wish to respect us, I feel no allegiance to respect him.
If he wants support from long time CH's he should and would apologize for his past transgressions. I feel no need to make my apology first or support someone on blind faith. Jeassa said we should give him the benefit of the doubt. I have not given him benefit since the nerf rumor started and I will not now. He plainly took our role away, nerfed our class and slandered us. He told the Devs what the community at large wanted to see but harsly ignored the CH community. This is our profession. We should be responisble for the change. Not the other communities. After all the world does not elect the president of the sweet ol' USA while not listening to the American populace.
You clearly point out that you like to arugue for the sake of argument. Even if I am wrong, who is the fool me for being foolish or you for arguing with me??
Castillo
Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:31 am
#8
Lets have a fun little quiz, everyone can join in!
Q 1) Who took the decision to release the game when it was plainly not ready and needed a lot more polishing?
Q 2) Who was responsible for the initially flawed, game breakingimplementation of the CH system?
Q 3) Which developer green lit the much needed first attempt to rebalance the CH system?
Q 4) Which developer green lit the much needed second attempt to rebalance the CH system?
Q 5) Who programmed and designed all this stuff!?
Right, everyone got their answers? Hmm, as Im feeling very generous, I will give you a few clues...in fact a onesize fits all tip for those struggling for answers. Here it comes, see if you can decipher the following to help you out a little bit:
IT WASNT THUNDERHEART
Seriously though Pluto, I thought you quit, why beat yourself up with these sorts of posts? The last lotwere just personal attacks on TH and you wonder why they were locked!? So he used the term p o k e m o n,so what, so did99% of the rest of the playerbasewhen the game was basically Jurassic Park Online. TH is not at fault forthe way the SWG team schedule changes to the game now, why single him out for these attacks?
So he used the term p o k e m o n,so what, so did99% of the rest of the playerbasewhen the game was basically Jurassic Park Online. TH is not at fault forthe way the SWG team schedule changes to the game now, why single him out for these attacks?
digiwrath
Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:10 am
#9
Castillo wrote:
So he used the term p o k e m o n,so what, so did99% of the rest of the playerbasewhen the game was basically Jurassic Park Online.
it's one thing if some ignorant idiot says it, but when an soe employee says it, it's completely...wait, the examples are too similar. let me rephrase that.
even considering all the things soe employees are known for, they still should carry some aire of professionalism to him. they are the people that are supposed to handle positive relations between developers and customers. they're the ones that are supposed to develop bonds of trust between the two parties. and when one of the people that is in charge of doing that, repeatedly insults creature handlers by calling them pokemon trainers, and stating that their pets are cowards, that level of trust is broken, and the very thing they were hired to do has been completely undermined. especially when he flat-out refuses to show his face in here to try and remedy the situation, much less apologize for his comments.
i mean he's now community relations manager for god's sake. what is his job to be, if not to try and develop good faith between the developers and the customers? so far he has shown no interest in trying to fix broken bonds or get along with people save the ones that are constantly complimenting him or asking him one of the few questions he hasn't been pre-programmed with a "wait until after the rebalance/jtl" response to.
i don't agree with pluto in that it will lead to more ch nerfs specifically, but i will agree that it will lead to a much deeper divide between the developers, CHs, and most of the community, until he learns some humility and genuinely shows he wants to make up for all the crap that he has allowed to transpire before.
Message Edited by digiwrath on 07-14-2004 05:11 AM
P9M
Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:29 am
#10
Digi,
I could not have said it better myself.
For the rest, don't hate the player hate the game. Seriously, many are staying behind while I make my exit into the gaming sunset. I have had messages supporting the cause if not the tactics. I do not mind going down with guns blazing. Even the romans had a saying for don't let the bastards wear you down. Well I let them.
I let them because there was all this talk about balance. Where is the balance now? Maybe TH did not write the code but he was the puppet who spoke about it. The Dev who did it is equally responsible and since TH is the puppet. Attacking him personally is attacking the Devs as a conglomerate. They know this. I have made no qualms about stating that SOE loves to play their Nerf Wars.
Anyone feeling sorry for CH is likely just a Role Playing pet lover. Of course they would not see CH as broken. I try not to be bitter towards them for their different style game play. It just makes it harder for those of us who liked CH as a combat profession to get changes made.
You see our profession is really a hybrid. It is not like BH where wwe purely kill and hunt. It is not like DE where we only make something. We have choices.
We hunt as combat or we hunt as collectors. Until both sides can agree to back each other up then we are doomed because our already small voice is divided. You might say their is nothing wrong with the profession, and the combat types will say there is.
It is not like BH all agreeing that Carbine is useless or the DE all agreeing their bots were useless.
Taming in fact works. So tell me why i should push for better spawn times if the rare collectors will not fight for the combat people. Even the smugglers all stick together. Spices suck and Underworld sucks. A spice maker may not be in the game for the role play value of Underworld but at least they fight together for it.
Our own community has a schism and it will always get harsh treatment unless each side learns the value of the other side. I have always tried to back up the collectors but very often you will see collectors not back up the combat side.
You all may say the posts are irrelevant. I in the end, am just bitter. This game had too much potential. I never intended to buy it in the first place. I got myself talked into it by friends. The one class I joined for has been destroyed for months. It will be until the combat revamp. TH is the spokesperson for the combat revamp. He told us we would enjoy the changes. I have not. Therefore I voice my anger towards him. If you were not here before the nerf likely you will have no anger. If you were and you enjoy the nerfs likely you do not PvP. If your PvE goes well likely you have another mastered profession aside from Doc/MEdic.
IF you enjoy, enjoy. If not then likely you're as pissed as I and enjoy these posts.
Witnezz
Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:37 am
#11
BlindTyldak wrote:Well, this one should be safe then.Just remember, whenever something doesn't go right, it's all Snowball's fault.
Snowball is the name of my cat ingame and out.
Not nice bra
Galacium
Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:20 am
#12
A. CH has problems, its true, but caling for someones job because you thinkn they insulted you somehow is not going to help any. All it does is get teh Devs to think you are an idiot not worth listening too. You don't always sound that way, but the more you rant the more foolish you begin to sound. Nothing you do will produce instant results. Ranting like that hurts the long term.
B. I'm not a danger to CH, you are. Youre actions risk alienating the Devs. Why would they bother reading our boards when it is a non stop tyrade of personal attacks on the devs and endless complaints? I know I wouldn't if I were them.
C. TH dosn't need your support P9M. Thats whay you need to understand. Your power is pretty much ZERO in this equation. You can't make anyone do anything. The devs on the other hand have lots of power.
D. Yep, I like arguing. Its a method by which I consider the opposing side and help them consider mine. I test ideas by throwing them into the lions den, and do my part in challenging the ideas of others. I'm not trying to win, just in it for the conflict. Its only foolish if it dosn't give me pleasure. You seem to want results for CH and so I'm trying to point out how getting threads locked and angering the powers that be won't help your cause any.
P9M wrote:
Gala,
I will concede the point that things may seem irrelevant to you. You probably realize that relevance is subjective and based upon a personal perspective. Since you only approach CH from your relativist point of view, it clearly shows that you have no problem with CH.
You are a danger to CH everywhere.
If he wants support from long time CH's he should and would apologize for his past transgressions.
You clearly point out that you like to arugue for the sake of argument. Even if I am wrong, who is the fool me for being foolish or you for arguing with me??
BlindTyldak
Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:40 am
#13
Witnezz wrote:
BlindTyldak wrote:
Well, this one should be safe then.
Just remember, whenever something doesn't go right, it's all Snowball's fault.
Snowball is the name of my cat ingame and out.
Not nice bra
ROFL, I was referencing Animal Farm.
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