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Thread: The secret is revealed.
Pulling 2 or 3 pets before was much better since not every friggen pet was over level 60. Teaming pets was one of the most fun parts of CH.
and why does people keep calling pets bags of meat and tanks? THEY ARN'T ANYMORE. My swamp stalkers no matter if tney are elite or level 70 can't tank inn pve for crap. I have to jump in and save them all the time. Its stupid and retarded and they need to have the res. back because it didn't only make them unique for purposes and show.. but it also made them hold up in battle alot longer then they can now. 1 level 70 or 2 level 30 doesnt matter if they are elite or not... they don't help in battle much anymore unless you have other people in your group fighting and 2 unless your ding the tanking.. AND on top of that I can't even heal y pets.. because ALL my stims went useless.. I had to drop medic cause of the new point system... and I don't know where to buy new ones.
Freth wrote:
Meuw wrote:
you don't help by telling people they are not allowed to express their opinions simply because he doesn't like them Freth. I have changed my mind, you would have made a good Corr, you suck up to Devs pretty well after all.
Standard Dev and Corr line: respect only those opinions that suit our own personal views and gag the rest.
I couldn't care less what the devs think of my posts. And I'm damn sure not catering to them. I'm saying how I feel about it, plain and simple. I respect everyones' opinions, but when you start turning into a broken record with every post it gets old. There are threads to report how you feel about the CU. I don't like everything about it, but it's definitely playable and enjoyable if you adjust your gameplay to the concept.
Honestly, I'm sick of the pissing and moaning about the CU and the plight of CH. Post your piece on thethreads Ko-a made and be done with it. That's all we can do. There are just some people here that piss and moan just to be heard pissing and moaning and it's getting old. Opinions are one thing, but running your negativity into the ground and blaming other people for the plight of CH and the advent of the CUgets old. If you feel that bad about it leave the friggin' game.
What's the common theme here? It's that CH is gimped and pets are useless. Guess what---it's been that way since 2003 and CH's(perceived) plight has never changed!!!
The pets have changed so that theyare in line withthe new CU---the old pet stats don't mean squat!!! The specials were broken in the processbut are getting fixed. You can solo thanks to the the new balance and the pulling ability of pets, but you won't own or be god-like. Pets are viable in PVE and PVP if you use your head.
Even I have had great success. As a CL 57 MCH/MBE I was doing fine against 70 and 80 creatures with one high level pet. As a CL 80 MCH/MR I am able to hold my ownquite nicely against 80's. What more could you ask for?
The CU isn't the best and the newRotW isn't what I'd consider old SWG-type gameplay, but it's funcontent and petsareable to do their job nicely under the current premise of the CU--which, if you hadn't noticed, has changed from the old game; grouping and not being god-like solo. I usemy petsevery day and have zero problems aside from the few bugs that need fixing. And that in itself goes to show that some people here refuse to change their thinking for the CU. You can't think of the old game and apply it to the new one. They're different animals (pun intended). You have to start over and give it a chance, and most of all, you can't expect to be anything special solo because that's what the CU fixed. Despite the focus of grouping the CU is trying to promote I'm pleasantly surprised I'm not forced to group to take on most content.
Message Edited by Freth on 05-12-2005 01:32 AM
You don't like what I and others have to say about then leave the forums. We are allowed to express these opinions if we wish it. YOU do not get to decide for me or anyone else. So again, since it is what you consider a good argument, if you don't like it, leave.
Meuw wrote:
You don't like what I and others have to say about then leave the forums. We are allowed to express these opinions if we wish it. YOU do not get to decide for me or anyone else. So again, since it is what you consider a good argument, if you don't like it, leave.
You're grasping things out of thin air. I never said it was my decision whether anyone posted their opinion. I simply said the broken record getting annoying. There are threads for posting your problems with CH. It's my opinion that the rest of the forum should be used for positive CH discussions. You can disagree with that if you want, that's fine. I posted my opinion and you posted yours. All I'm trying to do is keep a positive aspect on the forum so people can get help without wading through loads of bantha poodoo. If that makes me the villian, then sobeit. I don't care. I've been here a long time and seen a lot of posts. I'll be here long after most.
The CH profession is functional, with the exception of a few bugs. Playing a CH is possible despite these bugs. You can tame, train, take pets into combat and win. What are we lacking? Specials. Differentiating stats.Duo/triplet viability. Bug fixes. What else? If/when all of these conditions are met will there be anything to complain about? Yes, because there's always something to complain about isn't there?
I think what it boils down to is there are bitter people here that will take anything they can find and twist it into something negative to further theircause. A cause of hate. Hate for SOE, SWG and any little thing wrong with CH. Some of it is so damn nitpicky it's ridiculous. If you're that bitter about it you need a break. Go play something else.
This thread started as a way to help CH's get better pets. Some cried exploit. I don't agree. Then people pointed fingers at Dodece and basically called him a troll, exploiter and any number of things in a quest to prove in some way that he is Satan incarnate for trying to help. Then the CH whining kicked in and now we have bickering that CH just isn't what it used to be. Boo freaking hoo. It's a sob story that's been happening since the beginning. CH sucks. lol It's almost comical now. Now that we have some love people don't like the way it was implemented. I feel sorry for the devs. No matter what they do it's the wrong thing. And it's sad that people stay playing the game and posting on this forum when all they can say about the game is negative.
I've been playing the game since the beginning, most of which I've been MCH. I took a year off because I was bitter and drained from trying to get piddly bugs fixed and get some balance in the game. The balance is here. Some of the bugs are gone. Others have taken their place. Pets have lost some individuality, but it was never totally about the stats for me anyway. How can I stay positive? Because it's way friggin' better than it's ever been, despite any bugs or lack of pet stat individuality. The balance is pretty damn good. Missions fit the group. Grouping is a blast. Pets do their jobs. PVP is viable now for a CH. I'm happy as can be. I basically got everything I wanted in one fell swoop. The only thing I will agree with here is that pets could have some more individuality and that low level petduo/tripleviability be adjusted. These things are minor and hardly game-breaking as some make them out to be. The best thing we can do is let Ko-aIri know in the appropriate threads.
Yes, that's my opinion. Agree with it or not. I don't care. But please... try to keep a positive note.
Message Edited by Freth on 05-15-2005 06:08 PM
Freth wrote:
Meuw wrote:
You don't like what I and others have to say about then leave the forums. We are allowed to express these opinions if we wish it. YOU do not get to decide for me or anyone else. So again, since it is what you consider a good argument, if you don't like it, leave.
You're grasping things out of thin air. I never said it was my decision whether anyone posted their opinion. I simply said the broken record getting annoying. There are threads for posting your problems with CH. It's my opinion that the rest of the forum should be used for positive CH discussions. You can disagree with that if you want, that's fine. I posted my opinion and you posted yours. All I'm trying to do is keep a positive aspect on the forum so people can get help without wading through loads of bantha poodoo. If that makes me the villian, then sobeit. I don't care. I've been here a long time and seen a lot of posts. I'll be here long after most.
The CH profession is functional, with the exception of a few bugs. Playing a CH is possible despite these bugs. You can tame, train, take pets into combat and win. What are we lacking? Specials. Differentiating stats.Duo/triplet viability. Bug fixes. What else? If/when all of these conditions are met will there be anything to complain about? Yes, because there's always something to complain about isn't there?
I think what it boils down to is there are bitter people here that will take anything they can find and twist it into something negative to further theircause. A cause of hate. Hate for SOE, SWG and any little thing wrong with CH. Some of it is so damn nitpicky it's ridiculous. If you're that bitter about it you need a break. Go play something else.
This thread started as a way to help CH's get better pets. Some cried exploit. I don't agree. Then people pointed fingers at Dodece and basically called him a troll, exploiter and any number of things in a quest to prove in some way that he is Satan incarnate for trying to help. Then the CH whining kicked in and now we have bickering that CH just isn't what it used to be. Boo freaking hoo. It's a sob story that's been happening since the beginning. CH sucks. lol It's almost comical now. Now that we have some love people don't like the way it was implemented. I feel sorry for the devs. No matter what they do it's the wrong thing. And it's sad that people stay playing the game and posting on this forum when all they can say about the game is negative.
I've been playing the game since the beginning, most of which I've been MCH. I took a year off because I was bitter and drained from trying to get piddly bugs fixed and get some balance in the game. The balance is here. Some of the bugs are gone. Others have taken their place. Pets have lost some individuality, but it was never totally about the stats for me anyway. How can I stay positive? Because it's way friggin' better than it's ever been, despite any bugs or lack of pet stat individuality. The balance is pretty damn good. Missions fit the group. Grouping is a blast. Pets do their jobs. PVP is viable now for a CH. I'm happy as can be. I basically got everything I wanted in one fell swoop. The only thing I will agree with here is that pets could have some more individuality and that low level petduo/tripleviability be adjusted. These things are minor and hardly game-breaking as some make them out to be. The best thing we can do is let Ko-aIri know in the appropriate threads.
Yes, that's my opinion. Agree with it or not. I don't care. But please... try to keep a positive note.
Message Edited by Freth on 05-15-2005 06:08 PM
Actually Freth you are right. It was not you whomade the original instigator post. Sorry to aim that in your direction. Although I kinda have to stand by the comment about you leaving. That is not a valid argument and is actually pretty dismissive of what people have earned. Any person who pays for an account in this or any gamedeserves the same rights to an opinion as anyone else (no matter how many accounts they have, nor how long they have played).
I just feel I need to clarify what has become a public view of where I stand. I for one have never questioned the need of the rebalance. I always supported it from day one. No player should be able to pick one template that easily destroys all others. (cough, TKM, cough) I have never asked to be "uber" or even powerful. I have asked to be treated fairly. The majority of my complaints have been based solely around an idiotic timetable and implementation of the changes. People do not pay them to beta test their broken down program, nor do they do so to have them eliminate their professions without care or warning (dancers, crafters). People also should not be expected to wait 2 years for things they were promised. The base changes to creatures/pets and the CH profession have never been the subjects of my discussions. I do not like them, but that is a matter of personal taste, and as such I chose simply to stop playing. I maintain my accounts in the hope it will be fixed, but that does not mean I or any of us should cease our work in maintaining our right to be at least recognised in the process.
Message Edited by Meuw on 05-15-2005 06:00 PM
I found out over the last year that it's not worth it to be so riled over the plight of CH. In the end there's nothing we can do about the problems. You know as well as I do that the devs don't listen to us. The correspondent is our only hope. The rest of us whining seem like a bunch of desperate children longing for a lollipop. I hate to say it, but it's getting us nowhere at all except to frustrate us more. That's exactly why I'm not part of it anymore. I will never let myself get so emotionally involved in a game again that it actually drains me. And it did. A year ago I was spent. I didn't have anything left to give. I ranted and whined in my posts along with the rest of them, but it got me nowhere. I guess you can say I gave up. I stepped back and looked at the whole thing and came to my own conclusions that there's only so much we, as CH, can do to get things done. The rest is up to the devs. Plain and simple.
Me positive? Yeah... I have to be or I'd go insane trying to get the ear of devs that don't listen. There's a phrase that perfectly depicts where I am right now with CH: Comfortably numb. There are a lot of things I like about this new CU. I do enjoy it. At the same time though I recognize there are things that need fixed.
Message Edited by Freth on 05-16-2005 06:59 AM
3 pets= six specials.
1 pet= two specials.
Any first grader can tell you that the nerf on pets decreased CH by 2/3s of its ability. See the reason there is negativity is because we were subtracted from. We are more int he negatives now that ever. Some magical BE exploit did not make CH better. IT just makes being be more playable.
CH still sucks, the Devs still stroke it to CH, and you are more than happy to take it.
The plight is still the same. Seems some are happier to accept it now.
CARPE CORPUS!! 
I cannot see how ch was fun pre CU seeing most people complained about 1 hit kill of pets, and the fact that it was just a giant meat tank. Likewise never saw the amusement in playing TKA either.
Pets last longer in pvp. You just have to accept that you will need to have another elite, but right now thats a given for everyone. The pets can tank if you give them half a chance, and the combat is harder and more strategic. Then just laying into a mob.
This secret basically addresses two issues many chs claimed were breakers. Weak low level pets with pathetic ham and attack power, and the inability to use multiple pets to any advantage. This secret shows that chs can. I have no clue what the issue is with people. What is it pets cannot pin down opponents forever letting you spam powerful hits with no risk to you at all. Thats not fun its lazy.
I had a great time pre-cu. I thought there were many more options for CH back then. I could actually have viable pets in pve and pvp. Pets that would equal lvl 70 and have great ham, and great resists. I could send themin to tank for me, yes, back then, pets could tank. I could solo Bull Ranc lairs easy with them without armor or a buff.
Pre-cu, those same pets were not 'one hit' pets in pvp either, they often could draw fire from my opponents that was meant for me, and cause some nice damage as well.
Before the cu, combat was more strategic by leaps and bounds. Which rifle do I use? which special is most effective in this situation? Which pet would be best? Do I keep my pet on guard mode, or send it out to attack first? My TMB, or my gurreck or a combo of BE ones? Now, it is only difficult for one reason: damage mod due to level difference. How is it more strategic now? Specials? I have two that I alternate from now, adv crit, improved headshot. Before, I could use a wide range of specials, it would depend on if i wanted to cause a bleed to draw one out to me, conceal shot, peace, conceal shot, improved head shot,much wider range of specials and how to use them depending on the situation. That wide range of weapons and specials was the only thing keeping me and my group alive when we went the spiderclan cave on dath, as some of them were 100% immune to kinetic attacks. I was the only one that could hurt them with my acid rifle doing conceal shot.
I never liked seeing my pets get tore up, so seeing what combination of shots worked with which combination of pets and when to send them out and how to use them most effectively was fun. It was not lazy sending them out. Sure, it could be, if all I wanted to do was to see them laying on the ground because they get incapped by a ranc, a bull ranc and ranc youth. It took a while learning what worked and what did not work, how to use them best and enjoy them. They were not ultra powerful then, but they were a valuable addition to me when I would go out to the wilds of Dath and Endor. Now, it is no where near the same. As a lvl 80, what is the point? anything my lvl and below gets wasted, anything above my level would wipe out my pet in a heartbeat as my pet would barely scratch it. Where are the specials? Ah, they are working on it. how long has this been brought to the attention of the devs? How many skill points do we invest in this profession and what do we get out of it? pets that stand there, pets that want to run off and attack chubas, pets that want to go back to the warmth of the datapad, pets that do not have specials, pets that suffer due to the lvl system, pets that cannot be brought out during combat, I can swap out rifles in combat, pets that need to wait to be brought out if not in a camp or city, i do not need a timer on my rifle to equip it, pets that are slow now.
what kind of offensive and defensive bonuses do we get our troubles? a +10 to hit creatures.
Now, I see us more as a RP class than anything dealing with combat. We are supposed to be versitile depending on our pet. A pet that does not have specials ( I will believe we get our specials when they actually appear.), pets that cannot effectively tank. By effectively, I mean, the ability for damage dealers to deal damage and have the pet hold the creature or npc's hate. What kind of damage output do they have? yeah. How much ham? I know a gurreck has about 5k ham. I can do 1.2k easy. Now, with it being a lvl 50 whatever, that damage will be a bit more. That means, in 4 hits, it is laying on the ground. I made it to the bottem ofthe force weilder cave on dant solo. They were lvl 60 npc's. I was getting swarmed by them, and it was joke. People expect me to believe a pet will 'impress' me now?
I see nothing wrong with BE's making powerful pets. I had an issue with it before because we were so limited in what we could tame before, so for us to get something nice, BE was the best way to go. If we are allowed to tame everything, like now, I see no reason why a BE cannot make a pet with the best qualities out there.
Honestly, is it so game breaking for us to 1 pet that we can bring out at a time that has 12k ham, and 600 dam? Seriously, is it such a bad thing? That was one of the best things I could see post CU. It was not a game breaker in anyway shape or form. Having a pet like that would not make us a fotm due to the skill point requirements, and that once it goes down, all those skill points are lost for the rest of that battle.
We have enough issues, that one saving grace was a nice thing.