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Thread: Vertexon and MCH plz look here and tell me what you think
This was brought up many times and Vert you of all people should remember TH himself actually addressed this and the answer was no, based on the continuity issues.
It was also brought up to counter the issues that TKA doesn't exist in star wars proper, that Battledroids have no business on a imperial corvette etc etc....
I hate to be the naysayer but how many times will this be brought up?
Yes I love the idea, Hell I brought it up months ago, but we have as much hope of this happening as the devs fixing all the bugs in the game and finishing the combat revamp.
Oh yeah just to show I am not just blowing smoke about this being brough up before:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=187776&highlight=tree#M187776
not even 1 month ago.
Message Edited by taloncard on 08-11-2004 01:03 AM
taloncard wrote:
Pounds head into wall again.
This was brought up many times and Vert you of all people should remember TH himself actually addressed this and the answer was no, based on the continuity issues.
It was also brought up to counter the issues that TKA doesn't exist in star wars proper, that Battledroids have no business on a imperial corvette etc etc....
I to be the naysayer but how many times will this be brought up?
Yes I love the idea, Hell I brought it up months ago, but we have as much hope of this happening as the devs fixing all the bugs in the game and finishing the combat revamp.
Oh yeah just to show I am not just blowing smoke about this being brough up before:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=187776&highlight=tree#M187776
not even 1 month ago.
Message Edited by taloncard on 08-11-2004 01:03 AM
Raptor725 wrote:
i understand taloncard about what TH said, but if you look around continuity is kinda messed up . dont' you think so??? super battle droids? and jedi running around with no one to keep them in check? the fact that a TK can beat my rancor in like 4 secs seems kinda messed up if you ask me.I am not argueing per se just saying this gets brought up every month. You are even repeateing the points I brought up. Continuity is convient for SOE to apply when they want to.
example mando armor was never to be in game but some one on the SOE inside started a grass roots movement to get it in game. so i don't see why we can't do the same for are pets. ever great idea starts some where so heres where mine starts. Not sure where you got your info on this one but Mando armor was coded into the game back in beta. The devs just kept the way to get it locked up until death watch came out, but it was always there
Basically what I was saying was take the time to research an idea before you bring it up as brand new. the last post on this idea was not even 1 month before you posted it.
taloncard wrote:
Raptor725 wrote:
i understand taloncard about what TH said, but if you look around continuity is kinda messed up . dont' you think so??? super battle droids? and jedi running around with no one to keep them in check? the fact that a TK can beat my rancor in like 4 secs seems kinda messed up if you ask me.I am not argueing per se just saying this gets brought up every month. You are even repeateing the points I brought up. Continuity is convient for SOE to apply when they want to.
example mando armor was never to be in game but some one on the SOE inside started a grass roots movement to get it in game. so i don't see why we can't do the same for are pets. ever great idea starts some where so heres where mine starts. Not sure where you got your info on this one but Mando armor was coded into the game back in beta. The devs just kept the way to get it locked up until death watch came out, but it was always there
Basically what I was saying was take the time to research an idea before you bring it up as brand new. the last post on this idea was not even 1 month before you posted it.
And whose idea was it? I know it wasn't yours. The first mention of the Ysalamiri created by BE's and used my CH's for the purpose of using them against the Jedi was in fact brought up more than a year ago. The first post was on 7-24-2003 and there have been 402 posts about it. What Raptor did was come up with similar ideas and brought them to the attention of people who wasn't here a year ago, or maybe not even a month ago. Who cares if it wasn't his idea? His spelling may have been a little bit off, but his execution was good. If we petition the idea and get as many signatures as we possibly can, then maybe the devs will see that it's something that we really want and come to a compromise as they have with Jedi and countless other things that aren't part of the timeline.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
taloncard wrote:
Raptor725 wrote:
i understand taloncard about what TH said, but if you look around continuity is kinda messed up . dont' you think so??? super battle droids? and jedi running around with no one to keep them in check? the fact that a TK can beat my rancor in like 4 secs seems kinda messed up if you ask me.I am not argueing per se just saying this gets brought up every month. You are even repeateing the points I brought up. Continuity is convient for SOE to apply when they want to.
example mando armor was never to be in game but some one on the SOE inside started a grass roots movement to get it in game. so i don't see why we can't do the same for are pets. ever great idea starts some where so heres where mine starts. Not sure where you got your info on this one but Mando armor was coded into the game back in beta. The devs just kept the way to get it locked up until watch came out, but it was always there
Basically what I was saying was take the time to research an idea before you bring it up as brand new. the last post on this idea was not even 1 month before you posted it.
And whose idea was it? I know it wasn't yours. The first mention of the Ysalamiri created by BE's and used my CH's for the purpose of using them against the Jedi was in fact brought up more than a year ago. The first post was on 7-24-2003 and there have been 402 posts about it. What Raptor did was come up with similar ideas and brought them to the attention of people who wasn't here a year ago, or maybe not even a month ago. Who cares if it wasn't his idea? His spelling may have been a little bit off, but his was good. If we petition the idea and get as many signatures as we possibly can, then maybe the devs will see that it's something that we really want and come to a compromise as they have with Jedi and countless other things that aren't part of the timeline.
i never said this was my idea to start with, i just wanted to throw it out there for a vote and what WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE FOR STATS on the little guys? and last i checked i had read some where that mando armor wasn't really to be in game but it is now. so again i hope that are voice as one will aleast make the dev's look are way. and if it doesn't happen no big deal on to the other list of things we need fixed (i want my real pets back, not this joke of a nuna for a rancor)
and again i am always open to good or bad comments on this topic/idea
and thank you shaikeRamjet im glad some ppl know what i was trying to get at.
Message Edited by Kzera-za on 08-12-2004 10:47 PM
Raptor725 wrote:
vornskrs I see as i said before as being GPS on super crack. i would say 12k ham is not out of range for a lv 70 pet with immunities to some if not most force powers but the most extreme. say force lighting, and force choke but at a reduced damage.
and as always im open to comments good or bad.
I like your ideas, i proposed them not so long ago on the GCW forum being a Faction Bought pet.
The idea for your Vornskr.... How many jedi actually use Force Powers ?? the answer is none.
All Jedi use Forcerun, SaberThrow and Saber Specials -only-. Along with Forceheal etc.
Vurtorax wrote:
Excellent Idea. However, I don't necessarily think the pet(s) should keep the jedi from being able to use their forcepowers for healing. Assuming this new pet has the HAM ofa GPS or any high lvl pet it would be pretty unfair to the jedi since he/she would only be able to use the default saber swing. Before the flames begin think of this. Let's say you're declared for a certain faction and you encounter a jedi declared for the opposite one. You pull out this pet and sick it on the jedi. Now, not only can the jedi not use his/her forcepowers to attack you, he can't use any specials whatsoever. That means no healing, no attacks, and no forcerun. And since creatures run faster than characters, the jedi can't escape. That, in my opinion, is unfair to the jedi.
I think the pet should protect you and your pet (maybe even people grouped w/you) from certain forcepowers, but it should not paralyze the jedi.
P.S. - I'm not just a jedi trying to defend his own ass.....never even tried to unlock.
I more than understand what you are trying to say vurtorax, but thats why i said for one pet to be defencive and one for offensive. with a lv about 60 we coudl only use one and a mount not both at the same time. and as far as unfair goes its a bit unfair that they can run around with no TEF and use there powers and sabors makes me long for the old days where a jedi that used there powers in public was as good as dead. but thats off topic........im just throwing my idea out there going for the onion effect in the hope that in the end we can all agree on what the pets might look like in powers and stats.
p.s im not a jedi hater just a zoo keeper, and its time to put them back in there cage 
as the old man said "wipe them out, all of them"
Vertexon wrote:
Widespread use of ysalamiri and vornskrs would break Star Wars continuity. I guess there's some question about how strictly SWG adheres to Continuity, though.
In any event, I did mention both of those creatures on the correspondent forum a few weeks ago. Perhaps having the ysalamiri be a wearable like a padded armor bicep, and cert it to Master Creature Handlers. I think I may have been suffering from sleep deprivation when I wrote that, though.
But yeah, the theoretical vornskr pet might give Rangers a new tracking option: "Force Sensitive," that provides a filtered list of nearby players who are "visible" Jedi. I'm not sure if anti-Jedi capabilities are something we'd want to make a priority, but interesting to discuss.
1) We were nerfed because of "Continuity Issues"
2) There are more Jedi than Continuity allows for
3) MCH only pets that allow us to perform a vital role in the GCW or PvP would be a great trade off considering that we are now the most unnecessary profession in the game (except our captive market role to BE)
4) Why not make them BH only pets rather than Ranger, as BH are the ones responsible for tracking and killing Jedi.
5) Large Lightsaber Resists 70+ish, Large Mind Trick bonus 95%ish, and plus to BH tracking Jedi or Tracking speed replacing tracking Droids (ONLY in the case of Jedi.
6) Huntable/Killable Jedi restores the Continuity.