Creature Handler Archive
Thread: Calling for a Vote of No Confidence Against Vertexon.
But lack of activity has always been an issue around here when compared to other profession forums.
Feedback has also been a problem. When there is no feedback, it's best to mention that as well as actually getting feedback.
But unfortunately, CH's aren't being ignored because of a correspondent. We (along with other professions, including Smuggler, DE, Pikeman) are being ignored for the sake of Jedi and JTL, when they should have focused on the GCW and the Combat Revamp, because Creature Handlers were basically screwed on that deal.
What needs to be done is that the correspondent/dev forums need to be read only for the rest of us so we can actually see what's going on.
Vert, I once had a problem with you a long time ago. But I think we resolved that.
The only problem you and me are having right now is the animosity created by 8 months of looking, coming up empty handed, and by the lack of any feedback from the developers.
All of this angst, anxiety and anger towards eachother can be traced back to one cause. The developers. Which is why I hate them so.
I want to continue our "rares" discussion we are having, Vert. I can understand your position, but please understand how long some of us have been looking and coming up empty handed when we see something such as Jedi (things that were supposed to be the most rare thing in the game) hanging out at starports, when we spend day in and day out looking for JUST ONE tameable and coming up empty handed...
Message Edited by Aakhperkare on 08-08-2004 09:47 PM
- Jedi
- Jedi Balance
- Nerf CM
- Nerf Merchant
- How to become a Jedi
- Nerf how to become a Jedi
- ? Nerf something ?
- Jump to Lightspeed
- Fix JTL bugs and exploits
- JTL and Jedi integration
- Nerf JTL
- .........etc....
27. Nerf game...er....I......mean.....Combat Revamp
54. GCW
Vert knows what our issues are, hell Thunderheart knows, but it all relies on the Devs and their inability to deliver (feel free to refer tothe list of priorities listed above). Money > SOE > Devs > Thunderheart > Vertexon > Than all CHs.
So there's not much he can do now, he's submitted the list and we're expecting our answers back.
Vert, this profession is really messed up, its not even an easy grind. CH = too much work for little or no reward. Yet one year into the game and we are where we are.
He's actually pretty active on the boards. Hechecks every day or so (as I do in hope of reading good news for the CHs) and compliments the tames, and answer's questions. He's doing what he can, we could try to discuss some new alternatives on various issues concerning CH. He reads and replies to our posts and is very active, and around 70% of them are all negative posts. He tries to discuss but is often bombarded w/ unrealistic "quests" and lightsaber resistant pets post that it all gets burried. Who the hell is going to add content to CH after it got kicked in the balls and hasn't been mended?
So why the secrecy, why not tell us what the Devs are replying or discussing?
- Devs are not replying and are not discussing
- It is all "in concept" and does not want us to get our hopes up (for example: the Razor Knuckler for Teras Kasi)
He probably just doesn't know, there is little or poor communication between Devs and Correspondents across the board. Take the GCW Correspondent for example, he's been trying to salvage the GCW for a year and has to wait even longer than the Combat Revamp until they even touch the GCW. (please refer to my list of SWG priorities listed above).
We can either wait some more, ditch CH, ditch SWG, or continue feeding useful information.
Do what I do...
Get another profession (Combat Profession, preferably) Get good BE pets, go kill stuff, have fun in SWG, (not killing 800+ Bull Rancor lairs isn't fun). SWG is a game for fun.
I try to input where I can, hope its heard...
-Skwall (MCH/MHS)
P9M wrote:
DaBudo2 wrote:
A. I don't recall seeing a post where Vert said he was unable to handle correspondent duties. Perhaps you could provide the addy for that.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=191688
"I'm here, and reading the forums. It's been kind of a hectic week in RL, but I hope to be getting my post count up again soon."
B. Perhaps I'm one of the marginal CH that Vert represents, but I'm not sure since I couldn't find the Spawn post you referred to. So I will have to defer comment on this. Perhaps you could provide addy for this as well. Still, from all the posts I've read by Vert it sure seems like he is representing the vast majority of CH.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=190426
I am not here to debate what I would do. But the Correspondent Job is to correspond. He does not, orcannot.
The Correspondent Job is supposed to represent the majority of the community, not just a small fraction.
The communication in this game is so deplorable. It is of little wonder nowthing gets accomplished or when it does it is broken or represents only the minority.
Some may feel it is of little concern that Vert communicates so little with CH. How can anyone be reasonably sure that he even communicates with the Devs or what he does tell them is correct.
I by no means say I represent everyone. The only sure way to know what people feel is to ask. That is what I have done. Let the results stand for themselves.
- Certainly my intention is not to debate but todiscuss. Your ideas on how you would make theCH correspondent position more effectiveare verygermane to your recall petition. Youclaim that Vert is not being effective, and therefore it is incumbent upon you to justify that claim.In order for you to show that he is ineffective perforce you must explain what "effective" is, i.e. what would you do.
-You can't really believe that Vert saying he's had a hectic week means he is saying that heis unable to handle theCH correspondent position??? I'll chalk that up to hyperbole on your part.
- To be honest, I have to tell you that I actually agree with you that the spawn rate on ultra-rares either needs to be changed or make the reward worth the effort. I am willing to concede that on this issue Vert's opinion might be in the minority. Never the less, that does not mean that he does not represent the CH community onvirtually every thing else. To say that he doesn't represent the majority of CH because of one issue is, at best, inaccurate. (Incidently, I'd prefer keeping ultra-rare pets ultra-rare but reallymake them worth it.And, you know, I bet if we did do a poll, we'd find that the majority would want that).
- "...How can anyonebe reasonably sure that he even communicates with the Devs or what he does tell them is correct."You do realize that verges on paranoia, don't you? Why are you so sure he doesn't? I've never seen anything he's ever posted or anything posted by anyone that would justify you questioning his integrity or give you such cause to distrust him.
Let me repeat what I said in my previous post. Vert can only tell us what the Devs tell him. If there is a lack of communication/correspondence, it's on the Dev's part. I know with absolute certainty the sorts answers Vert is getting from the Devs, because those are the very same answers I and others got from the Devs at fanfest. You stated that Vert eitherdoes not or cannot "correspond". I believe with absolute conviction that he does. And if it's a case that he cannot then it's because noone can and getting another person to be correspondent won't change that.
-Manch- wrote:I'll take the opinions of old time CHs if they choose to post here rather than someone who has been "registered" for less than one month.Flame away.
I dont have to flame. The old time CH's are snickering at you because you do not know how long I have indeed been around.
You have 225 posts to my near 100 and the other 1000 as plutos9moon. Even that registry date is after yours. So you want to baffle me with brilliance what makes you so suddenly enlightened?
Lurking and never adding to the conversation is exactly the problem. You go back to the kiddies table and let Old Time CH's deal with this then. Your vote is stricken.
First let me again defeat the personal challenge. My status as CH was called in to question by another. The fact that one other person saw that and replied much the same as I is moot. Vert to is a long standing CH. I did not question his status as a CH. Nor should mine have been.
I hope we can both clearly see that.
What I am going on record as questioning is is Role as Correspondent. Clearly I do not have to make the argument that he is assuredly promoting the BEAST agenda first and foremost as it is in print.
I am certain that your PA agenda (providing you are in one) would be totally different than the CH community as a whole. As it is in this case.
You realize the irony of this is I am the only one defending myself. Vert knows he is not doing the job properly, yet will not relinquish the position. I do not want the position, although I do believe it could be better utilized by someone who wants to be active.
In the post, referencing Verts knowledge of what CH's want, he so much as admits he only has a running total in his head and it favors his own image of what a rare is. Like you want proof and examples so do I. Without that you are blindly fighting for someone who cannot produce it. I am not a blind follower of any sort. Show me evidence or step aside.
If you can at this very moment produce such evidence then I will accept it. If the only evidence you show me is someone who merely got lucky enough to find a rare then it is jaded. It is with your own beliefs that you force my experience of the game to bring same satisifaction as it brought you. The stimuli for satisfaction is not the same for every person. We all have our own threshholds and mine is 8 months without a frenzied graul. Produce the answers to the questions:
Are the Rare Spawns working as intended?
Are the Frenzied Graul indeed tamable?
And why hasn't one been tamed since the nerf?
They have been asked over and over. We have waited for the answer from Vertexon. If, as you see in the rare spawns thread referenced above, Vertexon is going to shy away from anything remotely objectionable, I must assume that Vertexon cannot or will not be assertive enough to get these answers.
Many similiar questions have never been answered, and not just about spawn rates.
For some it may seem harsh and unfair to ask Vert to rise to a higher standard armed with the knowledge that the Devs are apathetic at best. For the rest of us, we are people of action and never settle for "I tried". This is Star Wars, you either Do or Do Not. There is no try.
A missing in action Correspondent is not trying anything.