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Thread: MCH VS any player with a driod
Cimeno wrote:
I don't understand why you think your pets should be able to tank the high end mobs with 35k health. These mobs are supposed to be taken out by a large group or a couple jedi. One pet tanking a npc/creature 2x its level would be overpowered. I think CH has it's place in SWG and I think it is fine the way it is.
understood..not saying tanking..tanking is gone..but be able to pull the mob..that's all i ask..we could before pub 17..we are mabey <40% now..ususally the pet runs into the other mobs, ot when you attack and call it back it won't attack again..actulally a pistoleer can solo a krayt..with my rifle and a friends stop shot, we hunt them all day..so to say these mobs are for lg groups exclusivly is not correct..it may have been intended that way..but that is not the case
every other combat profession has a defined role..i'm rifle i do damge, a tkm tanks, a pistoleer , crowd control..ch has no defined role atm..just really poor at all 3..honestly i wouldn't care which role ch got..just give it one
so if i am part of this large hunting group..how could ch contribute?..say i want to leave the rifle at home..the pets cannot contribute..if i could seperate the mobs for the damage dealers..the least threatening role ch could have..that would be ok..but that has been removed..there is really no function i can see, aside form the 20 bleed tick if someonelse has aggro....i guess that's it
Message Edited by Cimeno on 06-07-2005 12:09 PM
LeQeSai wrote:
As far as crowd control is concerned, you must be aware that telling your pets to attack, then telling them to follow will pull creatures to you just as well as a droid.
I fight plenty of high end mobs, i've used my pets when fighting anything from a gorax, to the katarn. The gorax tears pets up, buthehasreally nasty AOE attacks. The katarn is not nearly as big a threat and i've tanked it numerous times.Pets don't hit for 200-300 per attack, but they do hit for a good 100 or so a second (when speed buffed). This is not a terrible amount of damage, and often times i let my pets destroy level 81 mobs without me attacking at all.
Maybe the perspective of how strong pets are is different for me being a mdoc/mch. My pets are excellent tanks against most mobs and recently I took 2 nightsister initiates (79 elite), 1 nightsister slave(78 elite), 2 rancor(81) and 1 bull rancor(81) full agro'd on me and my pets.
I've got 2 boxes in marksman and can beat most players in duels, so *shrug* i guess my pets really are pathetically weak and not viable in combat anymore.
Message Edited by LeQeSai on 06-07-2005 11:49 AM
actualy what i'm saying is that they don't resond as well as a driod..often if you attack then pull back they will not attack again, where the driod will. and the driod is less likely to run into the center of the mobs. i tried on the avatar and it was completely ineffective. the driod was effective however, for the short time it stayed alive
i appreciate what you are saying..but with 2 marksman boxes..your "combat" skills are fairly underpowered, and i mean no disrespect..if you were to say master rifle /pistols/carb...you would see which you would rely on more..the combat or ch
i suppose this may be the role for ch..as combat for people without another master profession..
well it seems everyone is happy with the way their pets behave and endure damage..so i'll leave this thread alone now
As a Master DE and a Master CH (don't shoot me!) I'm sort of on the fence with this one! Pre CU droids do have much more health than post CU ones but at the moment no droid armour is working at all so that sort of cancels that one out! I know where I have sent my droid and my razor cat in together the droid has always been the first one to go down. Remember that droids don't regenerate health at all now - they either have to be repaired using a repair kit or have specific modules placed in them.
I've played both sides and the fact that as a Master CH I can have up to three animals out and as a Master DE I can get out one level 18 combat droid...nuff said.......
theorb22 wrote:
This thread got really ridiculous really fast, flaming and blaming as if it were the jedi or BH or Bloodfin forums or something, yeesh.
On another note, I guess I never thought about the damage on pre-CU droids. Are these things just tanking better than our pets, or are they actually killing things better than our pets?
yeah i agree orb, i admit i got frustrated because i was unable to get across my intended point.
part of the intention of the curb was to make players group..sometimes ch , at least pre curb liked to work alone, i was one of those...
now i group to do the high end missions..we usually have the smae core members in our group, each with a clearly defined role..i am a ranged damage dealer, with rifle..our pistoleer /ranger is crowcontrol with pistol specials and ranger traps, our swordsman is a tank, ect...it's hard to define where ch fits in to a group scenario
let me give a specific example...last night 2 of us were helping a third do the mission from gursen(SP?) that allows you to gain acess to the blackscale compound..this takes place in the ettyy hunting grounds, and spawns 5 82 elite spiders and then a 85 elite npc, you have top kill all the spiders to spawn the npc, which is the target of the mission..
so 3 of us in the group. we all call a "pet" , the 2 noc ch's call pre curb froids, i call a blood frenzied boar wolf...we spawn the spiders, and the goal is to seperate and isolate 3 of them using the pets..the droids do this, the pig attacks one and after a brief time abandon't its target and runs into the remaining 2 spiders, incapping rather quickly...
basicly we rely on stop shots and ranger traps to keep the crowd controled..2 of the pets did thier job, both were driods, the pig went of and died as it was uncontrollable..THIS IS MY CONCERN..the driods do the ch job better than the ch can, at no sp cost to the player..the driods incapped much more slowly and were able to be repaired, so were of use, albiet marginal use with the lvl 85 npc..the pig was still incapped..
so what is the point of having a ch in a group while doing a higher end mission? i see the point of other professions, unique specials such a stop shots, damage mitigation that allows a swordsman to tank, ect...all i can do AS A CH, is the same thing as someone with a good driod, and i cannot o it as well because the animals do not follow thier instructions like the driods do
this is not an isolated incident, it happens time and time again
i want ch tp be a functional part of a effective group, and under the current system i cannot figure out how to do that