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JediMasterKai wrote:
No one bothered looking at anything I mentioned just 'we get less bf, troll you.'

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/pet

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CobePace wrote:

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JediMasterKai wrote:
No one bothered looking at anything I mentioned just 'we get less bf, troll you.'

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/pet

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You knock it off to!

Figures. I expect people to read something that does not have the words 'cookie' or 'hawtpants' in it and get a valid reply. Good job, boys and girls.

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--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:

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CobePace wrote:

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JediMasterKai wrote:
No one bothered looking at anything I mentioned just 'we get less bf, troll you.'

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/pet

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You knock it off to!

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what?

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Esharra wrote:

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Reachwind wrote:
Now to address your point about how battle fatigue isn't doing anythig right now... Well if that's the case then leaving it in the game as is won't hurt anyone and it'll leave enough of the post-gameplay players seeing the entertainers like Sirii

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So it would be better to leave in something that has essentially ceased to function as the system stands now, so that some dancers can have a pretention of being useful at removing something that..well..basically, no longer matters?

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If it doesn't matter, then why does it matter if they don't get rid of it? Besides, most people who are concerned about the loss of BF healing aren't saying "leave it as it is now", they're saying "make it matter again". Had it been up to me, I would have kept the rate of accumulation the same as pre-CU, and upped the ent healing XP to compensate for the loss of mind wound healing. In fact, that's about what I expected to happen, since on at least one occasion a dev explicitly said that Battle Fatigue was NOT being removed as part of the CU.

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that those of you who would rather set yourself up as a bot so you can role play lesbian relationships or make movies about yor fellow dancers and musicians can continue to do so.

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Pete..sometimes you make some good points. I do wish that you wouldn't follow them up with crazy statements whichonly succeed in negating your impact.

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Can't argue with that...


Umi

Addendum: Everyone please ignore the twit before he gets another perfectly good thread locked up.


Umi

<3 Eshie

Message Edited by CobePace on 06-27-2005 10:28 AM

whoa...having troubles Kylie?

Message Edited by CobePace on 06-27-2005 10:33 AM

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--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:

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CobePace wrote:

whoa...having troubles Kylie?

Message Edited by CobePace on 06-27-2005 10:33 AM

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He/She/It is prolly using this post to test anddesign his/her/its signature

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hehe i was too. seemed like a good thing to do.?

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JediMasterKai wrote:

BF has not decreased, I assure you this. Try going out and PvP'ing or doing some different content than what your daily routine consists of and I'm sure you will notice the effects. Just because two people here don't notice it is not really a big indication of whether it is an impact or not.

More than two people have noticed the lack of BF, from entertainers, to combat players, from ranged to melee. You actually are the first person I've seen that said you still get a lot of BF from normal gameplay. Most people's opinions are based on their experiences. And, if you have a lot of BF then you may think the rest of the population does too. Similarly my lack of BF may cause me to think nobody's getting any. However, when you look at the fact that the ratio of people claiming to be getting little to no BF is something like 1000% higher than those who say they're still getting it at the same rate, one tends to go with the statistics. And, the statistics imply that BF has been greatly reduced.

And as someone else pointed out above, how does leaving BF in the game hinder what you do at all? Why not leave it in and let Entertainers have an ADDITIONAL reason for being in this game. Where is the logic in removing BF...it does not make you more useful at all, it just simply moves you away from the rest of the playerbase, which is apparently what our wonderful corr and her followers want. You guys really don't understand that soon enough, you all will be left alone in your private cantinas doing absolutely nothing but entertaining each other, right? People aren't going to come out of their way for nothing just to see you...that's something you need to realize. Not everyone wants to roleplay with their 5 friends that hop on to each server for some event. Some people play this game to feel USEFUL and have a purpose rather than just spout off their odd sense of superiority.

You keep implying that we're all clique'ish and we all agree, and that we make it hard for others to join in conversation because we don't accept differing viewpoints. But, the fact of the matter is, I agree with everything you just said. To me, the removal of BF is not a big deal. However, I do not think that leaving it in the game is at all a hindrance. In fact, my honest inclination is telling me that I'd rather have it stay and it's a mistake to get rid of it. But, in the grand scheme of things, getting rid of it just doesn't seem like it's going to hurt me that much.

And, believe me, the vast majority of posters here actually *want* to be part of the playerbase, and have some use. I mean, if you read these forums a lot, you must know this. I don't want to just be eye candy. I want to serve a purpose, I always have. And, anyone whose read my posts knows this. And, I'm not the only one that feels this way. I purposely did not join an entertainer guild because I don't want to be relegated to an entertainer ghetto that keeps to themselves, RP's and doesn't do anything else. I want it all, and that's how I play my game. And, as an entertainer, I *never* want to get to the point where nobody ever needs my services. I think the difference of opinion comes in because you think that removing BF is going to get rid of the last reason anybody ever came to see us. You probably don't see much worth in the inspirations. That's just something I don't get, but everybody keeps saying. I love the inspirations, I have tons of people who purposely come to me for them because they're so useful. I will not go hunt without one. And, they're planning on adding more. Our clientele is going to increase because of this. Because, quite frankly, the combat player who doesn't go to get their inspiration beforehand is...well, stupid. They're wasting time by not getting it. I would personally rather provide something that people find value in. Inspirations do that, they give people an edge. Battle Fatigue never did that. I would love for it to stay, but when it's gone I'm just not going to be that upset about it.

As you can probably see, I actually agree with you on many things you said above. And, I know that many others do too. I think that if you're feeling like you're afraid to post on the boards or you feel like other people are attacking you, it may not be because of your opinions and ideas, but, rather, the way you present them.

This is the last chance every Entertainer is going to get in becoming useful in this game again. It's everyone's choice here whether we allow the profession to turn into the pinaccle of uselessness and let the small minority that dominates these forums push it into play, or whether we stop the non-sense and demand that things like additional combat buffs be put BACK into the game. There is no reason that the wound healing line could not be transformed into something that allows an Entertainer to buff things like accuracy, defenses, etc. I would much prefer that than walking into Bestine cantina and seeing Entertainers jabbering at each other (the 1 or 2 that will be left) and crafting toys for one another. I really will hate to see that day happen.

Again, I think it's just a difference of what we both feel is useful. I think inspirations are very useful and will only get more useful. There are things I don't like about it...ie, novices can do the same as we can, and people can still do it afk. But, the truth is, since the CU I have felt way more useful and appreciated when I've been dancing. Back before the CU, when there were mindbuffs and buffbots, I felt completely and utterly useless. I personally wouldn't mind getting mind buffs back. However, I do not *ever* want them back until the ability to afk them is removed. So, yes, of course I want to be useful. But, until the devs realize, if they ever do, that AFK must be done away with, then I don't want to give the bots the tools to make me useless. And, maybe what you said is true...maybe they will be using the wound healing lines to buff things like accuracy and defenses. I don't know of any dancer (except perhaps Sirii) who would be opposed to that. Believe me, I do not want it to get to the point where there are only one or two of us left because we're completely useless. I just think that what you think is useful may be different than what I think is useful. We can debate on that if you like. But, please, it's rather annoying that you would lump people who support BF removal or who are neutral about the issue into a category of "uppity, high and mighty people who want our profession to be useless." That's simply not true.

One final piece of advice: When you want to fix a profession, you do not take things away. You ENHANCE or ADD NEW ONES. Does this make sense? Build something up, not tear it down.

Makes perfect sense to me.

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